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Oct 15 2023 11:19pm
Quote (xfrodobagginsx @ Oct 15 2023 10:33pm)
The only way to do that is to be raptured.





I was joking. It worries me that you weren't.
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Oct 16 2023 02:07am
Quote (Ghot @ Oct 16 2023 03:19pm)
I was joking. It worries me that you weren't.


He wasn't joking. It worries me that you were.
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Oct 16 2023 08:16pm
Christians Do go to heaven:
Mr 16:19 ¶ So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
(KJV)
Php 1:21 ¶ For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.
22 But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not.
23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:
24 Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you.
People in heaven:
Re 19:1 ¶ And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:
(KJV)
Jesus Christ is going to rule and reign on the earth. The believers will be with Him on the earth at that time. Right now believer's go to heaven to be with the Lord Jesus Christ because that is where He is.
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Oct 16 2023 08:20pm
Quote (xfrodobagginsx @ Oct 16 2023 07:16pm)
Christians Do go to heaven:
Mr 16:19 ¶ So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.
2Co 5:8 We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.
(KJV)
Php 1:21 ¶ For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.
22 But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not.
23 For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better:
24 Nevertheless to abide in the flesh is more needful for you.
People in heaven:
Re 19:1 ¶ And after these things I heard a great voice of much people in heaven, saying, Alleluia; Salvation, and glory, and honour, and power, unto the Lord our God:
(KJV)
Jesus Christ is going to rule and reign on the earth. The believers will be with Him on the earth at that time. Right now believer's go to heaven to be with the Lord Jesus Christ because that is where He is.


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Oct 17 2023 08:30pm
Quote (Ghot @ Oct 16 2023 01:19am)
I was joking. It worries me that you weren't.


Why? How would I know if you are joking or not?
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Oct 18 2023 05:52am
Quote (TiStuff @ Oct 7 2023 11:16pm)
kinda ironic that its the 'atheist thats so dependent on imagination


Why is that ironic?

Everybody is dependent on imagination and that is fine - as long as you accept it as what it is.

Imagination can help a lot if you wanna reach a goal you cant reach by just using a scientific method because you dont have enough information.
As I said before, science uses imagination as a bridge, as a trial and error method

When a scientist uses imagination, he usually has a theoretical way of explaining that imagination. When a scientist imagines something it is not without scientific background and it is not without the purpose to come closer to evidence and facts.

When a religious person says god exists, there is no scientific background and it also doesnt work like a bridge. There is no theroetical explanation behind the thought. Its not a link to truth, it is claimed to be the truth.
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Oct 18 2023 06:00am
Quote (Modulok2405 @ Oct 18 2023 04:52am)
Why is that ironic?

Everybody is dependent on imagination and that is fine - as long as you accept it as what it is.

Imagination can help a lot if you wanna reach a goal you cant reach by just using a scientific method because you dont have enough information.
As I said before, science uses imagination as a bridge, as a trial and error method

When a scientist uses imagination, he usually has a theoretical way of explaining that imagination. When a scientist imagines something it is not without scientific background and it is not without the purpose to come closer to evidence and facts.

When a religious person says god exists, there is no scientific background and it also doesnt work like a bridge. There is no theroetical explanation behind the thought. Its not a link to truth, it is claimed to be the truth.


imagination is fine if its kept in perspective. but when people start "makin chit up" and calling it fact................thats bullchit
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Oct 18 2023 06:24am
Quote (CPK001 @ Oct 6 2023 11:51pm)
So you're going by nothing is what it seems. So even though it seems you made that choice it was already predetermined. Very fair assumption. Let's see what the experts say about predestination. You'll find that predestination is all about who is saved and who isn't saved. It's not to do with our general life choices.

What is predestination?

"Romans 8:29-30 tells us, “For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers. And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified.” Ephesians 1:5 and 11 declare, “He predestined us to be adopted as his sons through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will…In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will.” Many people have a strong hostility to the doctrine of predestination. However, predestination is a biblical doctrine. The key is understanding what predestination means, biblically.

The words translated “predestined” in the Scriptures referenced above are from the Greek word proorizo, which carries the meaning of “determining beforehand,” “ordaining,” “deciding ahead of time.” So, predestination is God determining certain things to occur ahead of time. What did God determine ahead of time? According to Romans 8:29-30, God predetermined that certain individuals would be conformed to the likeness of His Son, be called, justified, and glorified. Numerous scriptures refer to believers in Christ being chosen (Matthew 24:22, 31; Mark 13:20, 27; Romans 8:33, 9:11, 11:5-7, 28; Ephesians 1:11; Colossians 3:12; 1 Thessalonians 1:4; 1 Timothy 5:21; 2 Timothy 2:10; Titus 1:1; 1 Peter 1:1-2, 2:9; 2 Peter 1:10). Predestination is the biblical doctrine that God in His sovereignty chooses certain individuals to be saved.

Predestination is an explicitly biblical doctrine. Yet the determination of predestination is not disconnected from the rest of God’s unchanging character (Malachi 3:6). It is connected to His foreknowledge (Romans 8:29, 11:2), His love (Ephesians 1:4-5), and His plan and pleasure (Ephesians 1:5). God’s desire is that all would be saved and come to repentance (1 Timothy 2:4, 2 Peter 3:9). Predestination is personal and relational, not capricious.

The most common objection to the doctrine of predestination is that it is unfair. Why would God choose certain individuals and not others? We must remember that no one deserves to be saved. We have all sinned (Romans 3:23) and are all worthy of eternal punishment (Romans 6:23). As a result, God would be perfectly just in allowing all of us to spend eternity in hell. However, God chooses to save some of us. He is not being unfair to those who are not chosen, because they are receiving what they deserve. God’s choosing to be gracious to some is not unfair to the others. No one deserves anything from God; therefore, no one can object if he does not receive anything from God. An illustration would be a man randomly handing out money to five people in a crowd of twenty. Would the fifteen people who did not receive money be upset? Probably so. Do they have a right to be upset? No, they do not. Why? Because the man did not owe anyone money. He simply decided to be gracious to some.

If God is choosing who is saved, doesn’t that undermine our free will to choose and believe in Christ? The Bible says that we have the choice—all who believe in Jesus Christ will be saved (John 3:16; Romans 10:9-10). The Bible never describes God rejecting anyone who believes in Him or turning away anyone who is seeking Him (Deuteronomy 4:29). The truths of God’s sovereign predestination and also man’s responsibility are not mutually exclusive. Somehow, in the mystery of God, predestination works hand-in-hand with a person being drawn by God (John 6:44) and believing unto salvation (Romans 1:16). God predestines who will be saved, and we must choose Christ in order to be saved. Both facts are equally true. Romans 11:33 proclaims, “Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable his judgments, and his paths beyond tracing out!”"

https://www.gotquestions.org/predestination.html


predestination is just a weak cherrypicking version of predetermination written by religious idiots not able to count to 3.

If everything is predetermined, then no one choses to be gracious or not. You are programmrd to do what you do since forever. No ones deserves more or less, nothing is fair or unfair if god exists.
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Oct 18 2023 06:29am
Quote (TiStuff @ Oct 18 2023 02:00pm)
imagination is fine if its kept in perspective. but when people start "makin chit up" and calling it fact................thats bullchit


I agree. If people make shit up out of thin air, its nothing more than bullshit.

So if you imagine something, at least be able to explain how that could have theoretically happened.
Thats the only way, if you wanna be taken seriously.
Then its fine and we as a society can work with the idea and accept it as a theoretical possibility of truth.
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Oct 18 2023 07:45am
The Rapture is an eschatological position held by some Christians, particularly those of American evangelicalism, consisting of an end-time event when all dead Christian believers will be resurrected and, joined with Christians who are still alive, together will rise "in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air." The origin of the term extends from the First Epistle to the Thessalonians in the Bible, which uses the Greek word harpazo, meaning "to snatch away" or "to seize"

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