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Jun 17 2016 03:42pm
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So the immigrants who are coming over are bad guys sent by the Mexican govt? Not people seeking better economic situations?

Or do you think most economically challenged immigrants are also rapists at a statistically relevant rate?


The point being that CNN misquoted Trump.
Just like they do with the majority of what he says
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Obama doesn't enforce the illegality of rape?


Obama doesn't even enforce over staying visas......

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Obama doesn't even enforce over staying visas......


So you would support a witchhunt for overstayed visas that would cost as much or more than paying for the overstayed citizens social benefits? Interesting.
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Jun 17 2016 03:46pm
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So you would support a witchhunt for overstayed visas that would cost as much or more than paying for the overstayed citizens social benefits? Interesting.


A witch hunt?
You mean enforcing the law.

Show me your facts on the cost being more than paying for the ALIENS benefits....

They aren't fucking citenzens.

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Jun 17 2016 03:47pm
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So the immigrants who are coming over are bad guys sent by the Mexican govt? Not people seeking better economic situations?

Or do you think most economically challenged immigrants are also rapists at a statistically relevant rate?




I'm not sure mexico is purposely sending over folks, but acknowledge that a great many of them are and arent stopping them. There is an official pamphlet that they published about some of the dangers of being on the road and of mexican citizen's right's they have if they run into LEO here in the usa. Human rights watch groups estimate some 60-80% of women/girls are being raped along along the way, a pretty staggering figure, how many of those rapists are coming in is debatable, it's more the predatory men taking advantage of the situation. For women making the journey, it's so bad , many of them are taking birth control and plan b drugs to prevent pregnancy

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/06/world/americas/a-mexican-manual-for-illegal-migrants-upsets-some-in-us.html?_r=0
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The Mexican government drew fire from American advocates of tighter borders on Wednesday for publishing a pamphlet that instructs migrants how to safely enter the United States illegally and live there without being detected.

Officials here say the small booklet, illustrated in comic-book style, is not intended to encourage illegal immigration, but to reduce the loss of life. Last year, more than 300 migrants died while crossing rivers and deserts to reach the United States.



80% Of Central American Women, Girls Are Raped Crossing Into The U.S.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/12/central-america-migrants-rape_n_5806972.html

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Rape can be perpetrated by anyone along the way, including guides, fellow migrants, bandits or government officials, according to Fusion. Sometimes sex is used as a form of payment, when women and girls don’t have money to pay bribes.

The assaults are so common that many women and girls take contraceptives beforehand as preventative measures.

What’s particularly disconcerting is that the fact that these figures may not even represent the full grim picture.



By the usa having such a weak stance on immigration, an unintended consequence is more people making the trip, ironically a stronger stance and enforced border would help reduce the gross numbers of people trying, and prevent a huge amount of related crime and predators.




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A witch hunt?
You mean enforcing the law.

Show me your facts on the cost being more than paying for the ALIENS benefits....

They aren't fucking citenzens.





average illegal immigrant household has a net avg cost (to taxpayers) of ~$14K + per year, a bus ride is way cheaper then doing nothing.

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2013/05/the-fiscal-cost-of-unlawful-immigrants-and-amnesty-to-the-us-taxpayer

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In 2010, the average unlawful immigrant household received around $24,721 in government benefits and services while paying some $10,334 in taxes. This generated an average annual fiscal deficit (benefits received minus taxes paid) of around $14,387 per household. This cost had to be borne by U.S. taxpayers. Amnesty would provide unlawful households with access to over 80 means-tested welfare programs, Obamacare, Social Security, and Medicare. The fiscal deficit for each household would soar.


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A witch hunt?
You mean enforcing the law.

Show me your facts on the cost being more than paying for the ALIENS benefits....

They aren't fucking citenzens.


do you really think hiring private bounty hunters would be inexpensive? I can't show you facts because there is no large scale precedence. Many presidents have used discretion in this matter when directing their immigration policies. Total enforcement of the law is a fallacy, it simply cannot be done for a feasible cost and would require privacy destroying surveillance.

I think we can both agree that full enforcement of illegal aliens would be incredibly expensive and cumbersome to implement, as well as having negative impacts on legal Hispanic populations.
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Jun 17 2016 03:52pm
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do you really think hiring private bounty hunters would be inexpensive? I can't show you facts because there is no large scale precedence. Many presidents have used discretion in this matter when directing their immigration policies. Total enforcement of the law is a fallacy, it simply cannot be done for a feasible cost and would require privacy destroying surveillance.

I think we can both agree that full enforcement of illegal aliens would be incredibly expensive and cumbersome to implement, as well as having negative impacts on legal Hispanic populations.


An ICE officer is not a private bounty hunter.
They are paid a salary.
You live in some hill country or something, bubba? Bounty hunter? Lol wtf...

How can you think the cost is less for paying for a person (s) living..
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Jun 17 2016 03:53pm
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By the usa having such a weak stance on immigration, an unintended consequence is more people making the trip, ironically a stronger stance and enforced border would help reduce the gross numbers of people trying, and prevent a huge amount of related crime and predators.


Unless this country goes to actual shit (like the kind the GOP pretends exists) or we start shooting them on the spot they will always take the risk because they live in a hell hole with no opportunity right next to greener pastures

Not much that can be legally done that is worse than what they are running from.

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An ICE officer is not a private bounty hunter.
They are paid a salary.
You live in some hill country or something, bubba? Bounty hunter? Lol wtf...

How can you think the cost is less for paying for a person (s) living..


care to explain this then.

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Donald Trump’s bilious blather about immigrants reminds us—more often than most people need reminding—that words matter. But the Obama administration’s recent wave of police-state raids on Central American women and children, whose only crime is poverty and a lack of proper paperwork, reminds us that actions matter too.

When it comes to getting tough on immigration, Republican candidates talk the talk, but Obama walks the walk. President Obama has deported more people than any U.S. president before him, and almost more than every other president combined from the 20th century.

Immigration-flow numbers are staggering in both directions. In 2014, it’s estimated that more than 200,000 Central Americans tried to emigrate to the United States without documentation. But the Obama government has been deporting them as fast as it can.

Since coming to office in 2009, Obama’s government has deported more than 2.5 million people—up 23% from the George W. Bush years. More shockingly, Obama is now on pace to deport more people than the sum of all 19 presidents who governed the United States from 1892-2000, according to government data.

And he’s not done yet. With the clock ticking down his final months in office, Obama appears to be running up the score in an effort to protect his title as deporter-in-chief from future presidents. To pad the numbers, Homeland Security is now going after the lowest-hanging fruit: women and children who are seeking asylum from violence in Central America.

“This is the only time I remember enforcement raids on families of women and children who are fleeing some of the most violent places on the planet,” says Royce Bernstein Murray, director of policy for the National Immigrant Justice Center.

The families came to the U.S. looking for a hand, but they got the boot. Since Saturday, Homeland Security’s Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) has netted at least 121 family members, primarily in Georgia, Texas, and North Carolina. No one knows how long the dragnet will continue. Homeland Security won’t say, and rights activists fear it could be the start to a prolonged operation.


Most of the people detained during the past week are women and children from Central American, and all of them had pending deportation orders. But that doesn’t mean these people have “exhausted appropriate legal remedies,” as Homeland Security secretary Jeh Johnson said on Monday.
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Jun 17 2016 03:56pm
Quote (Beowulf @ Jun 17 2016 04:53pm)
Unless this country goes to actual shit (not the kind the GOP pretends exists) or we start shooting them on the spot they will always take the risk because they live in a hell hole with no opportunity right next to greener pastures

Not much that can be legally done that is worse than what they are running from.


Mexico is actually very nice. Just like America, it has nice places and bad.

They come here to get free care. Pretty simple.

For a family of 3 inpay $700 a month for the same fucking Healthcar eillegal immigrants get for free. Not including my VA benefits - which suck asshole
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