lets revisit this comment "...imaginations..." ya you got that right. the atheist scientific method............ 'imaginations.
get a fossil in crappy condition its 'imagination time. lucys hip .............just take a buzz saw to it and reconstruct a human like hip when it would just be just as easy to construct a ape like hip' hel they even said it looked for like a ape hip................but that was wronggggggg.

lucys feet or lack of feet . just 'imagine feet of choice. 'imagination, the best friend of the atheist. a person could imagine ape feet just as easy as human feet.

what would i prefer? i would prefer reconstructions based on actual evidence rather than 'imaginations ...........atheist chit science

I was waiting for you to quote that the second I wrote it

Yes, sometimes scientists need imagination. Not as much as religion, which relies on imagination 100% of the time, but sometimes you just dont have enough evidence. Thats when imagination is a big part of science as well, sure.

What do you think what Einstein's theory of relativity is? It is scientific? yes, mostly.
But there is a reason it is a theory still. Imagination is part of it.
I would never dare to deny that.

Every image of a dinosaur you'll ever see is imagination and every image of an early human is too. We never saw anything else than bones and in a lot of cases just part of skeletons. Thats not a secret. Old times are gone, we cant just let the past reappear magically. We have to reconstruct and IMAGINE a lot of it based on other finds, based on other species and based on the parts we actually do have of those creatures. Thats how it works no magic involved. Just honest work as I already told you a few weeks ago.

your claims that imagination is rational science only serves to verify my claims about atheist chit science................thanks, you strengthen my argument

science is observable testable repeatable deviate from that and your in woo woo world.............a religious kook that thinks your imagination has mystical powers

religion? well my belief is with scripture. if you want to say i imagined scripture that would just be more imagination on your part

This post was edited by TiStuff on Oct 5 2023 02:57pm

Imagination is a part of theoretical science as well as straight forward trial and error methods. Do you think we know which colors a T-Rex had? Well, we dont. If you see the image of a dinosaur its imagination based on findings. We dont have crystal balls to look back yet, we dont really know what those extinct creatures really looked like.
If someone wanted to illustrate Lucy, he HAD to imagine the missing parts based on what they found and based on the conclusion they drew from those findings.
What would you do? Not draw her? Leave out the feet? Dont be silly.
Its not my fault that you dont understand that theories and images are part of the learning process. Thats what science is. A learning process.

Humans originally had to work with wood, rock, stone and soil. Thats it, thats all they had. And they learned for centuries and millennia. Generation after generation. Every generation passed their scientific achievements on to the next generation and they continued to work with what they got. And so we got computers, phones, tvs, cars, factories, planes. All this was science. Plenty of imagination was necessary along the way, hundreds if not thousands of times progress was slowed down by a lack of knowledge and hundreds if not thousands of times imagination & trial and error methods were the key for success.

This post was edited by Modulok2405 on Oct 5 2023 03:41pm

Agreed!

Imagination is the spark of divinity granted freely by God to His people

Imagination should not be so lightly tossed aside - for it is the precursor to all that is good

hog wild with imagination. i bet their hog wild imagination never differs with their 'belief. your also an example of how lax 'atheists are when they are holding up their preferred world view.
dam that chit is funny. the self affirmed logical critical thinking 'atheist braggarts are really the hog wild imaginary woo woo religious people

reminding me of the RNA world hypothesis after it was retracted. "we were blinded by our 'belief"



but not to be confused with fact just because it tickles

Honestly, this conversation more and more reveals your low IQ (or troll agenda) and your tendency to use populistic speech to make your point.

"hog wild imagination" is one of many terms you like to use to make a point against the scientific "bullchit" elite totally ignoring what I really say.

There is BIG difference between just believing something imagined and using imagination to make a step in the right direction.
When I say a scientist uses his imagination I do not mean a scientist pulls something out of his ass, but thats would you wanna imply by saying its "hog wild imagination".

When a scientist draws Lucy, thats not his "belief", thats just the best current version of that being he could come up with at the time.
A scientist will not say "Yes, thats totally how Lucy looked like".
Its an educated guess you could say.

Science isnt magic, I said that many times now and I want you to understand what I mean by that. Science hits walls. Many of them.

And people try to figure out how to break through these walls. This happens by trial and error and by taking risks and guesses to get to the truth, to get to facts

When a scientists takes a guess, it doesnt end there. Its just a bridge that hopefully helps to overcome the gap of knowledge. Sometimes it helps, sometimes the guess was a dead end. Trial and Error.
Religions dont try to build bridges. They claim to already know it all without any evidence for anything. They just belief, no questions asked. Its all written down. Its gods word. The bible is proof, god is the explanation for everything.

Thats not how the real world works.

This post was edited by Modulok2405 on Oct 6 2023 12:45am

Let's say for example that I do know the future and I know what you are going to do before you do said action. Your argument is that you don't have free will because your actions are predetermined. Even if that were the case, weren't you given a choice regardless? You may have been destined to make a choice but in the end you still made that choice -- nobody made that choice for you. Who bent your will that you had no say in the matter whatsoever? I see free will as I am the one making the choices, whether the outcome is predetermined or not, I still made the choice. When the Bible talks about predetermination, it talks about our final destination, where we will all eventually end up.

The Genealogy of Jesus is the very first thing you read when you come to the New Testament. The Gospel of Matthew has a purpose to prove that Jesus is the long awaited Messiah. The Genealogy proves just that. If you read the Genealogy from Luke chapter 3, you can trace back the lineage of Jesus all the way back to Adam.

To the first part of your reply:

We always talk here about the hypothetical truth of god existing. And in that case:

No, it would not be free will and I would not have made that choice. It would just have appeared like I made that choice. Thats why free will would be an illusion. You say nobody made that choice for you, yet it was already made before you were born. So how about god made that choice.?
He made everything, so he also made every choice ever.
A choice would only be a choice if the outcome was not predetermined. You might think you made a decision. But you didnt.
A murderer wouldnt be guilty, the pope wouldnt be good, bad people wouldnt be bad and good people wouldnt be good. If god existed life would just be a pointless farce. Kind of like a screenplay for gods amusement.

2nd part:

How would the "Genealogoy of Jesus" trace back to Adam as evidence for anything?
I can look into my copy of Lord of the Rings and trace back the lineage of Frodo Baggins as well. There is a Genealogy of almost all significant characters in there. Doesnt mean they really existed. What stupid argument is that?
You have dna samples of jesus and his relatives or what? This is absolutely silly.

This post was edited by Modulok2405 on Oct 6 2023 03:56am

hiding behind a wall of text aint going to hep you
and
thanks for representing 'atheist 'logic
not hard to understand how something like Hackles embryo drawing lingered in text books over 100 years even though they were debunked right from the get go. for everyone else its one of 'sciences greatest mystery

edit
let me clarify.
hackles embryo drawings and recapitulation theory. purely a imaginary construct pulled out of his azz. but it was quickly recognized as bunk and dismissed. one of the biggest mysteries tho is how the drawing persisted in text book for so long. talking to you though sheds some light, how 'atheists are able to get away with so much bullchit

This post was edited by TiStuff on Oct 6 2023 01:12pm