Quote (Modulok2405 @ Oct 4 2023 10:18pm)
Let me ask you a question:
If I would know the lottery numbers for next sunday, would they still roll the way they roll by chance or was it predetermined? I am not talking about guessing them right, someone guesses them right all the time. I mean knowing.
My point is: There is only one reason for knowing the future. Its already determined.
If god exists, then absolutely everything for the eternity of time is determinsitic and already decided beyond doubt.
He is allmighty and omnipotent. He is timeless. Everything that will happen, happened already for a timeless being. It happened simultanously to everything else, happens right now, happens always. There is nothing that WILL happen for a timeless being. Do you understand what it means to claim such a being would exist? He KNOWS everything. There is NOTHING you can still decide. Its all settled. Established. Done since forever. There was never a point at which it wasnt done.
Nobody has yet found a way to continuously predict the winning lottery numbers. Let me know if you do find a way. It's still by chance.
You may think that knowing that life is predetermined, maybe it is and maybe it isn't. Even if life were predetermined, don't you in your moments of pathways always have a choice to make? You may think your decision has already been made but ever deadly you are the one who still made that choice.
Just like you had a choice to participate in the Genealogy of Jesus debate but you chose to ignore it. Was it predetermined so you had no free will or were you given the choice and you could have decided either way? Whether you chose one way or another, you still made that choice, it wasn't decided for you was it?