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May 28 2022 03:01pm
Its september 11th, 2001. In an attack unlike anything seen before in this alternate reality timeline, a bunch of muslim terrorists hijack multiple planes and crash them into the world trade center buildings and pentagon.
In the aftermath, the nascent social media is flooded with posts calling the passengers of American Airlines Flights 11 & 77 and United Airlines Flight 175 a bunch of cowards and traitors to America for not fighting back against the hijackers on their planes. Their widows are harassed in public and a government inquisition into their culpability is set up. Al Gore films himself interrupting and heckling President Bush at an event with survivors, lambasting the president for his lax security policies and failure to regulate immigration. Bush responds by declaring we need to arm every flight passenger and put a gun in their hands to defend America. The identities and motives of the hijackers briefly make the news for one cycle but nobody cares and we ignore them and instead focus in on the 33 air marshals who failed to prevent this attack because they were cowards. Each is named and shamed by reporters. When the detail emerges that fighter jets were scrambled out of Langley air base but failed to intercept any of the flights, an immediate uproar ensues. The pilots just dicked around for hours and even flew in the wrong direction while thousands of Americans were being slaughtered. When the names of the pilots come out, such an aggressive campaign of harassment leads to two of them committing suicide. But the most vitriol is saved for those first responders who failed to rescue the people trapped in the burning buildings. When firemen and police are injured and poisoned trying to rescue people from the buildings before they collapsed, they become the most culpable party in the eyes of the public. Reporters question the loyalty of first responders who didn't die in the blaze. Protesters line up outside the NYPD and FDNY headquarters and jeer the survivors, demanding investigations and criminal charges. Around the country are reports of hate crimes against firemen and police officers unrelated to the FDNY/NYPD. One construction worker in Arizona gets shot and killed in a hate crime because his hardhat is mistaken for a fireman's helmet by some chud. Joseph Esposito and his family are whisked out of the country on a private charter flight under FBI supervision.

This post was edited by Goomshill on May 28 2022 03:13pm
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May 28 2022 03:27pm
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Its september 11th, 2001. In an attack unlike anything seen before in this alternate reality timeline, a bunch of muslim terrorists hijack multiple planes and crash them into the world trade center buildings and pentagon.
In the aftermath, the nascent social media is flooded with posts calling the passengers of American Airlines Flights 11 & 77 and United Airlines Flight 175 a bunch of cowards and traitors to America for not fighting back against the hijackers on their planes. Their widows are harassed in public and a government inquisition into their culpability is set up. Al Gore films himself interrupting and heckling President Bush at an event with survivors, lambasting the president for his lax security policies and failure to regulate immigration. Bush responds by declaring we need to arm every flight passenger and put a gun in their hands to defend America. The identities and motives of the hijackers briefly make the news for one cycle but nobody cares and we ignore them and instead focus in on the 33 air marshals who failed to prevent this attack because they were cowards. Each is named and shamed by reporters. When the detail emerges that fighter jets were scrambled out of Langley air base but failed to intercept any of the flights, an immediate uproar ensues. The pilots just dicked around for hours and even flew in the wrong direction while thousands of Americans were being slaughtered. When the names of the pilots come out, such an aggressive campaign of harassment leads to two of them committing suicide. But the most vitriol is saved for those first responders who failed to rescue the people trapped in the burning buildings. When firemen and police are injured and poisoned trying to rescue people from the buildings before they collapsed, they become the most culpable party in the eyes of the public. Reporters question the loyalty of first responders who didn't die in the blaze. Protesters line up outside the NYPD and FDNY headquarters and jeer the survivors, demanding investigations and criminal charges. Around the country are reports of hate crimes against firemen and police officers unrelated to the FDNY/NYPD. One construction worker in Arizona gets shot and killed in a hate crime because his hardhat is mistaken for a fireman's helmet by some chud. Joseph Esposito and his family are whisked out of the country on a private charter flight under FBI supervision.



Damn you're really triggered that people think these cops fucked up and got kids needlessly killed. Is your fetish bootlicking or something?
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May 28 2022 03:29pm
tl;dr

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May 28 2022 03:56pm
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The kids calling 911 to beg for help were just arm-chair quarterbacking the police response obviously.
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May 28 2022 04:11pm
Parents: You fucked up
Public: You fucked up
Media: You fucked up
Police: We admit we fucked up
.....

Goom: WHY WOULD YOU THINK THEY DIDN'T DO THE RIGHT THING L;AWSEJDIAOSJFHDLPSAJD;LSJDL;ASKJDLASDF
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Parents: You fucked up
Public: You fucked up
Media: You fucked up
Police: We admit we fucked up
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Goom: WHY WOULD YOU THINK THEY DIDN'T DO THE RIGHT THING L;AWSEJDIAOSJFHDLPSAJD;LSJDL;ASKJDLASDF


Neither emotionally driven angry mobs nor those they are trying to lynch are renowned for their dispassionate rational analysis.
As per the timeline above, there was a 60 minute span during which the gunman was not actively shooting children or roaming looking for more victims. The only shots he fired after the officers were in place were apparently at the officers. 'He shot the door'. The post-columbine strategy of active shooter vs barricade vs hostage scenario was premised on the concept of stopping active shooters who are in the process of killing people and searching for people to kill, in which the longer it takes the more who will die. That wasn't necessarily the case here. He was in a room behind a steel door from which he could shoot outwards, but it couldn't be forced down because it only opened outwards, and the only way officers were able to get in eventually was with a key used while behind a shield. We know he was lying in wait with a plan to kill officers at that point. So even with the benefit of total hindsight and facts the officers weren't aware of on scene, we're left weighing the potential loss of life from the wounded going untreated, versus potential loss of life from officers trying to break into a fortified room into a planned ambush. We still can't say for certain if anyone died because of the delay, but we can say that attempts to breach the door without a key or shield would likely have gotten one or more officers killed, potentially more kids killed in the crossfire. We already know enough to figure that Ramos had planned to suicide by cop and take as many with him as he could, because his plan was to burst out of a closet guns blazing.

This is the worst kind of finger pointing and second guessing. Driven by an obvious prejudice, and not bothering to be inconvenienced by the available facts
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May 28 2022 06:10pm
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Neither emotionally driven angry mobs nor those they are trying to lynch are renowned for their dispassionate rational analysis.
As per the timeline above, there was a 60 minute span during which the gunman was not actively shooting children or roaming looking for more victims. The only shots he fired after the officers were in place were apparently at the officers. 'He shot the door'. The post-columbine strategy of active shooter vs barricade vs hostage scenario was premised on the concept of stopping active shooters who are in the process of killing people and searching for people to kill, in which the longer it takes the more who will die. That wasn't necessarily the case here. He was in a room behind a steel door from which he could shoot outwards, but it couldn't be forced down because it only opened outwards, and the only way officers were able to get in eventually was with a key used while behind a shield. We know he was lying in wait with a plan to kill officers at that point. So even with the benefit of total hindsight and facts the officers weren't aware of on scene, we're left weighing the potential loss of life from the wounded going untreated, versus potential loss of life from officers trying to break into a fortified room into a planned ambush. We still can't say for certain if anyone died because of the delay, but we can say that attempts to breach the door without a key or shield would likely have gotten one or more officers killed, potentially more kids killed in the crossfire. We already know enough to figure that Ramos had planned to suicide by cop and take as many with him as he could, because his plan was to burst out of a closet guns blazing.

This is the worst kind of finger pointing and second guessing. Driven by an obvious prejudice, and not bothering to be inconvenienced by the available facts



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May 28 2022 07:30pm
It's like Ghot Jr, with the amount of cop apologism.
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May 28 2022 07:36pm
I'm still wrapping my head around the idea that the legally, the police didn't do anything wrong.

Morally wrong but legally protected. That to me is wild.
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