Quote (duffman316 @ Dec 7 2021 02:47pm)

What does everyone see in this picture?
https://i.imgur.com/ZKQdmn5_d.gif

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Dec 7 2021 07:27pm)

I find it hilarious that the same party that claims to be right to life is also the party that works it's hardest to make sure insulin is as hard as possible to afford

A woman's bodily autonomy is apparently less important than property rights of companies

Just another way to demonstrate that this is not about life in the slightest, it's about hierarchy.

Quote (thundercock @ Dec 7 2021 07:43pm)

You could argue that an abortion is a woman invoking the Castle Doctrine. Women have the right to Stand Their Ground against trespassers.

Quote (fender @ Dec 7 2021 10:03pm)

and i'm just asking you to explicitly acknowledge that your position is cruel, not even effective at saving "human lives", and restricting women's rights.

now don't be such a coward and address the ugly reality of your anti-choice stance: banning abortions will not prevent them (i told you several times which measures are more effective at achieving your alleged goal without making women 2nd class citizens), and you know that - you will just make them unsafer and more expensive (disproportionally hurting poor and minority women). it will traumatise, shame, and punish women for life, more babies will grow up in loveless, destitute, broken families. it will lead to suffering and suicide, desperation and death.

laws should not follow delusional ideals on complicated issues, they should not change society as a whole for the worse just to appease the simplistic takes of naive fundamentalists, and they should especially not do so when they are directly restricting something as important as the right to bodily autonomy for half the population.

Quote (duffman316 @ Dec 7 2021 10:15pm)

Its ok fender, i knew you weren't capable of facing the ugly truth of the matter when i first mentioned human lives 20 pages ago and you started rambling irrelevant nonsense about religious extremism to an atheist.

You are free to continue lying to yourself. Have a good day sir.

Quote (NetflixAdaptationWidow @ Dec 7 2021 11:20pm)

What if you know the fetus grows up to be someone who doesn't return carts?

Quote (duffman316 @ 8 Dec 2021 05:15)

Its ok fender, i knew you weren't capable of facing the ugly truth of the matter when i first mentioned human lives 20 pages ago and you started rambling irrelevant nonsense about religious extremism to an atheist.

You are free to continue lying to yourself. Have a good day sir.

Quote (duffman316 @ Dec 8 2021 05:15am)

Its ok fender, i knew you weren't capable of facing the ugly truth of the matter when i first mentioned human lives 20 pages ago and you started rambling irrelevant nonsense about religious extremism to an atheist.

You are free to continue lying to yourself. Have a good day sir.

Quote (fender @ Dec 7 2021 06:56pm)

you can make as many bad faith arguments and outright lies as you want, you can cherry pick singular efforts while ignoring the overwhelming evidence that proves how bad america (particularly the christian fundamentalist anti-choice crowd) treats parents and children compared to other developed nations - that won't change the facts of the matter, or the dishonesty of labeling abortion "murder", and all your other emotional and misleading talking points.

and again, you're not "supposed to" do anything, you're free to have as many braindead religious takes as you like, you're free to advocate for all the cruel, fundamentalist bullshit that your local kiddy fiddlers preach to you each sunday - all i'm saying is that in a secular state, this should not be made into law - your religious feelings should not restrict the freedom of others, no matter how delusional you are about your moral superiority...