Quote (Santara @ Nov 3 2021 06:53pm)

"look at how she was dressed" is generally a victim-blaming comment that attempts to draw blame away from the guilty party in what is universally considered wrong: rape.

I don't feel this is the same. While murder is indeed universally wrong, it is entirely up for debate whether Kyle's actions constitute murder or justified killing.

I would never say that anyone ever "forfeits" the right to defend themselves, but whether they can make a legal claim that their actions are justifiable under the law is another matter.

Conversely, rioters indeed have a right to their life, regardless of the mayhem they're engaged in. But that doesn't mean that the person who puts a stop to them has no legal basis to cause them harm.

Quote (cambovenzi @ Nov 3 2021 01:55pm)

putting himself in a potentially dangerous situation is not an act of aggression or a crime.
there were thousands of people who put themselves in that dangerous situation and all of them retain their right to self defense if and when they are aggressed upon.

Quote (sirthom @ Nov 3 2021 03:58pm)

Not claiming anything other than the state he isn't white.

Overreact much?

Quote (kenw @ Nov 3 2021 03:39pm)

Blacks and race traitors are cut from the same cloth according to White nationalists. He should have been at home to begin with, but his white rage consumed and spurred him into action. Most of the protests were peaceful, so you are sounding quite ignorant right now.

Quote (Crye @ Nov 3 2021 05:23pm)

I'm glad we were able to reach some common ground, but you lost me at the bolded section here.

Super fudd mentality, if you're into skeet shooting and duck hunting by all means you do you, but that is not at all what the second amendment is about and it doesn't matter what anyone thinks of when they hear gun owners, if a person is acting within the confines of the laws this matters zero. I don't think you were making this point regarding any legality standpoint but it does shine a bit of light on what your feelings are towards the second amendment and the right to self defense as a whole.

As I read through the rest of the thread I also see more doubling down on the open carry escalation of violence rhetoric which is just plain silly at this point and seems to be being used throughout the thread (by multiple people) to insinuate that it may somehow in some small way justify people commiting actual acts of violence against the person carrying, which is obviously ludicrous.

Then what irritates me even further is the implications and outright admission that you think anyone who disagrees with the "escalation of violence" thing you're pushing as "basic knowledge" or "day one information" is somehow less responsible as a gun owner than you, as if that automatically means they don't take firearms training or safety seriously. That my friend is absolutely absurd. It's all coming across as if you're almost trying to virtue signal by using your arbitrary beliefs as a measurement for what constitutes a good firearms owner from a bad firearms owner. What you use your firearms for or want firearms ownership to mean to people has no bearing on that distinction.

Feel free to correct me if I am mistaken on your views but you are coming off this way imo

Quote (aaron9999 @ Nov 3 2021 06:27pm)

So what ethnicity do you believe him to be?

Quote (thesnipa @ Nov 3 2021 07:45pm)

We simply disagree on how important certain aspects of 2a are. I don't discount them but I'm sure were a ways apart. And I'm sure u believe that by putting your foot down you'll pretend 2a longer. I think honest concessions where they make sense can preserve it longer.

Simple question. Do you think Americans will have the right to own firearms in 200 years? And if not how do we keep them the longest?

Quote (aaron9999 @ Nov 3 2021 07:51pm)

Heres the new released footage from the FBI. Kyle was offering medical attention before being shot st and chased down.

https://mirror.fro.wtf/reddit/post/3224755

Quote (Crye @ Nov 3 2021 06:49pm)

I think there is a fair chance that America as it exists today won't exist in 200 years.
Ultimately I don't know if they will or not. I certainly would hope so.
We keep them the longest by not negotiating any more rights away whatsoever, there has been far too many concessions made already. It's pretty clear that it won't magically stop at some point, but be whittled away bit by bit. I don't see how one could think otherwise.