The impeachment trial began today.

Here's the opening video from the impeachment managers:



As much as the right-wing and Republican party have adopted the "nothing matters" response to basically everything the last 4 years, it's still a bit shocking that they've done the same with the Jan 6th insurrection. Is it hyperbolic to call these people enemies of America? I'm not sure it is.

The... insurrection?
What do you call the 7 months of burning, looting, rioting, etc., by the left?








1. Dems paid for false documentation (Steele dossier), and bought the major media sources.
2. Dems used the false documentation to acquire FISA warrants... illegally.
3. Dems used those FISA warrants to illegally spy on the Republican nominee... et al.
4. Dems got just about every Dem judge in the land to allow idiotic suits against anything Trump tried to accomplish.
5. Dems used the information they got illegally, to harass, charge and convict any and all in the hope something would drop that they could use against Trump.
5. Dems also used this illegally gotten information to start the Russiagate investigation.
7. Dems then got Blasey_Ford to accuse Kavanaugh.
8. Dems paid protesters to disrupt the Kavanuagh hearings.
9. Dem Sen. Maria Chappelle-Nadal, went on Facebook and said: "I wish someone would assassinate Trump.
10. Dem Congress woman Waters in interviews called for other Dems to harass and assault Republicans, Republican politicians and white house staff, w/e they went out in public.
11. Dems, after Mueller came back with no conviction, started in on Ukrainegate.
12. Dems used falsified statements by whistle blower and then by State Dept. members, to go for an Impeachment.
13. Dems, after failing to get Trump ousted started blaming Trump for covid-19 response, even though it's been proven that the W.H.O withheld crucial information from not only the US, but from the World.
14. Dems, after failing to damage the President of the US enough, with that... are now adding fuel to the fire, to incite to riot.
15. Dems then, use the resulting chaos to try to trap Trump between a rock and a hard place... whether or not to use the military to put a stop to the rioting and damage.
16. Dems now, call out their hole card, Mattis, to add edges to the rock and the hard place they've set up.
17. Dem Nancy Pelosi: “I just don’t know why there aren’t uprisings all over the country, and maybe there will be.”
18. Dem Kamala Harris: “Protesters should not let up” and “They’re not gonna let up and they should not.”
19. Dem Ayanna Pressley: “There needs to be unrest in the streets.”
20. Dems waste tax payer's money a third time with Insurrectiongate.



But yeah, Trump is the bad guy for saying: "Let's go to Washington".











This post was edited by Ghot on Feb 9 2021 03:59pm

I see where you're coming from. It's really a problem. What to do with all those pesky Republican lawmakers who simply refuse to disavow the orange man? And even worse, what to do with his 74 million voters? This is a severe problem which calls for a long-term solution... a... final solution, right?!

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This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Feb 9 2021 03:37pm

A lot of people believing something does not give it legitimacy or justification. Truth is not a popularity contest.

The responsibility dissipates the farther out you go. Trump is the most responsible, followed by his most loyal cultists in Congress and the media who propagated the big lie, followed by those who simply enabled the big lie, and you can go down the list until you reach voters. Frankly many voters here are victims... because those they trust in politics and the media lied to them for 2 months about the election being stolen. I'm not going to disparage those people(at least in this post), I'll just say that they weren't able to identify these lies as lies.

I would argue Trump and his most ardent defenders who fomented this insurrection by lying to the American public about the election being stolen are enemies of America. I would argue that those with extreme power(politicians, media figures) who want to sweep this incident under the rug are at the very least aiding the enemies of America.

EXACTLY.



Kinda makes you wonder why the left felt the need to control the media and the universities... eh?

This post was edited by Ghot on Feb 9 2021 04:11pm

seems odd to me that the supreme court is supposed to oversee the legal proceedings if it's the sitting president, but when the right says he's not sitting president, they reply with "well he was sitting president when impeachment started"

Trump was impeached as the sitting president. He's no longer the sitting president, but the article still requires a trial.

The arguments against the constitutionality seem incredibly weak to me. It's basically a concession that the president in his last days in office can do almost anything he wants without consequence. The president can legally do a number of things that are incredibly damaging to the country and contrary to his oath of office. And why would a resignation be able to make the disqualification moot? Did the framers not envision a politician who could resign and then run for office again?

Yeah, the left controls the media! Which is why Fox is the biggest of the cable news channels. and NewsMax and OAN have been licking Trump's nuts. and major Republican donors basically own the nation's economics and business departments. and .... wait.... it's not really seeming like the left controls these things.

I could be wrong, but wouldn't congress members fall under this?

Yes, if you want to remove a sitting member of congress you have to impeach them.