Quote (proccy @ Sep 30 2020 08:00pm)

you know, a headache with pictures

Quote (EndlessSky @ Sep 30 2020 05:02pm)

probably the most accurate description

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DsUw0ArXcAAtUCj.jpg

Quote (proccy @ Sep 30 2020 08:08pm)

andy ngo is doing great work down there IMO

i believe a couple of these rioters lost their jobs after andy posted their mugshot on twitter

good riddance to violent social destructiveness

Quote (ReturnFormer @ Sep 30 2020 05:59pm)

lets take it from the top... i said that it was despicable of biden to continue to misrepresent the "both sides" statment as showing trump to be racist. lets call that "statement BS". according to biden, "statement BS = trump racist", which i say is a misrepresentation, and that "statement BS =/= trump racist".

now, while you didnt come out and say "trump IS racist", the presumption would be that thats why youre trying to counter my statement to the contrary. or at least that you think that statement (and the circumstances surrounding it) were indications of racism, even if you dont think trump himself is overall racist. if you had some other point in refuting my statement that "statement BS =/= trump racist" other than trying to show the opposite, ie that "statement BS = trump racist", then by all means, please explain. but the basic assumption is that youre trying to prove the opposite of what im saying, which would be that the statement shows trump to be racist.

you seem to have two reasons why you think the statement was racist, both of which ive addressed previously, but ill address them again:

1) trump waited before making his statement, showing that its not sincere. so what if he waited? that doesnt take away from what he said. if you ask me what 2 plus 2 is, and i wait before answering 4, does it make it any less true? now im sure youll say but thats a statement of fact, context plays no role. i would say that likewise, saying that white supremacists should be condemned totally is a statement of fact as well, when its said is irrelevant, as long as its eventually said. it would have been *better* to say it sooner, but it doesnt affect the sincerity of it that it wasnt. it was said, plain and simple.

2) he followed it with 'both sides' showing that he didnt really mean it. at the time when you said that, in the above quote, where you also stated that the rally was entirely white supremacists, that was at least an understandable position. you reiterated this later on in the thread:

if there were only white supremacists present, then yes, "both sides" would refer to them, and that would be calling white supremacists fine people. but thats NOT the only people who were there, as you later admit:

that being the case, that there WERE people there other than white supremacists, and considering that trump explicitly clarified that he is not talking about white supremacists, and condemned them, the statement of fine people CANNOT be referring to white supremacists, and any attempt to make it seem that way is a shameful dishonest distortion of reality.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 30 2020 09:25pm)

Still clinging to the strawman that I said Trump is racist.

I don't make a habit of conversing with liars. Go be dishonest elsewhere.

Quote (ReturnFormer @ Sep 30 2020 09:05pm)

1) that's not a strawman

2) as I said, if trying to show that the statement/ situation showed Trump catering to white supremacists wasn't your intention, then by all means, explain what your intention was.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 30 2020 10:22pm)

I've corrected you twice in this specific thread on what my position is.

You are not capable of engaging this subject honestly.

Good day sir!

Quote (ReturnFormer @ Sep 30 2020 09:43pm)

yes, you said that you dont think trump is racist per se, but says whatever he needs to whoever wants to hear it. thats all very nice, but it doesnt address what you think he was doing with this statement, was he catering to racists or not? if you dont think he was catering to racists, then why do you disagree with my assessment that the statement is not a proof that he is racist, as biden (and others) has proposed? and if you DO think he was catering to racists, then well, everything ive said is correct.

the only one dishonest here is you. you got called out on a stance based on a false premise, backpedaled on the premise in the course of other debate but refuse to admit that the stance is wrong. shameful.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 30 2020 10:44pm)

I haven't backpedaled one step. I know you wish I was the caricature of a leftist you've built, but I'm not lol

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/58894766.jpg

Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 29 2020 11:23pm)

defended the protesters on the 11th (remember, these were literal white supremacists)

Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 30 2020 12:11pm)

The Unite the Right Rally was not "some of which were white supremacists". It was explicitly a rally for white supremacists, where all the speakers were white supremacists, and they literally marched through the streets chanting "Jews will not replace us" and "blood and soil".

Quote (Thor123422 @ Sep 30 2020 12:34pm)

The Unite the Right rally was technically about the Robert E. Lee statue, but confederate symbolism is heavily featured in American white supremacy, so those things aren't mutually exclusive. There may have been some portion of people there not about white supremacy, but you can say that about any gathering for any reason.