Don’t necessarily agree. The DNC is just completely out of touch with Main Street right now.

How about this: the country is ready to elect a woman president, but not one who's putting her gender to the forefront of her campaign, not one who panders to feminist themes and orders a literal shattering glass ceiling for her victory party.

NYT write up on allegation:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/12/us/politics/joe-biden-tara-reade-sexual-assault-complaint.html

Reasons to be skeptical:
https://arcdigital.media/joe-bidens-metoo-karma-a8d16bbe0ddd

There's some credibility to the story... she did work for Biden for some months, and two of her friends and her brother were told about it in some form. But that's as far as the evidence goes, so unless something changes, this accusation isn't credible enough to go anywhere.

Also, if the cultists want to stoke their media hatred:
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/13/business/media/joe-biden-tara-reade-new-york-times.html (an interview with editor of NYT on why it took 19 days to report the accusation)

This post was edited by IceMage on Apr 14 2020 09:01am

I agree.

Nonetheless... those accusations are STILL more credible than the shit that was flung at Kavanaugh, and the media reaction to those Kavanaugh accusations was WILDLY different.

They are right to not buy into the Biden accusations based on what we know today; but the double standard is just too glaring. The NYT and other mainstream media were all too happy to buy into the Kavanaugh accusations and to ignore the lack of corroboration, all too happy to invoke #metoo and to engage in "guilty until proven innocent"-logic.

Honestly I think Roy Moore had a worse case against him than Kavanaugh. Accusation with very little corroborating evidence other than a signature in a yearbook. The difference was Moore was an unlikable person.

At least with kavanaugh there were multiple allegations, even though a few turned out to be pure shit.

but really in all three the evidence is fairly similar in how "damning" it is, aka not really at all. people just believe based on how they think of the person.

Moore himself admitted to having dated/made avances to several teenage girls during his thirties. There was little evidence for the sexual assault allegations against him, but the creepy behavior was not in doubt. And when you're running as this ultra-conservative, ultra-morals and -values based candidate, then preying on 15 year old girls as a 30+ year old bachelor just kills the rationale of your campaign.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Apr 14 2020 09:31am

Moore taking a run at teenagers back then is still way less creepy than Joe's behavior we've all seen on camera repeated many times. Creepy touching of women on full display some children, not in the 50s or 60s but in the 2000s. and not in a bar in Bumfuck Alabama but on the national stage. as gross as it is hitting on high schools used to be socially acceptable.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Apr 14 2020 09:58am

Just watched it. Essentially, he's going through a list of groups to pander to and checks them off.

And it's quite funny how Obama's big endorsement-of-Biden video contains more praise for himself and Bernie than for Biden. I also like the second half of the video, where Obama gets into a good groove and keeps making a compelling case for his view of the political situation in America, the world, and for the stakes of the upcoming election. Then, a few seconds before the end, he remembers that this video is about Biden and not about him liking to hear himself talk.

I dont blame Obama though, the whole premise was always tough to sell: "When I was on the ballot, Joe didnt stand a chance in the primaries; and then he served as a great sidekick to me - but NOW, he's a super strong candidate, he's the real deal, the best choice. Vote Joe!".



Two specific points:

- the part where Obama says "together, Joe and I handled the H1N1 and the Ebola outbreak and prevented it from becoming a huge pandemic like what we're dealing with now" is just so sneaky and disingenous. he's trying to draw a contrast between how him and Biden handled pandemic threats and how Trump is handling the coronavirus. Well, guess what, these outbreaks Obama/Biden were dealing with, they were quelled all around the world, it's no specific achievement by them. Similarly, all the other governments around the world also failed to contain the coronavirus, Trump is not to blame for the fact that this virus made it to the US. (Yes, Trump is responsible for the way the outbreak is handled, but that's not the subtext Obama is sending here. The subtext is "we contained the viruses of our time while Trump failed to contain his".)

- at the 10:00 minute mark, he delivers a great line and argument: "This crisis has reminded us that government matters, that good government matters". Trump neither providing nor even caring about good government imho is one of the most compelling and least divise cases the Democrats can make against him. This is the kind of argument that persuades college-educated suburban swing voters.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Apr 14 2020 12:52pm

Trump got graded on a huge curve and Hillary got graded in the opposite direction for being a woman. Sure you can point to some things that she was attacked for "because she's Hillary" but she also got attacked for certain things for being a woman. Even my wife said she didn't want to vote for "someone that bitchy". I also personally heard plenty of people say they couldn't vote for someone who stayed with their man after what he did, and in an election where 70,000 votes in like 4 states was the margin that's a big deal.

Sure you can say "they were ready to elect a woman just not Hillary", but any woman gets attacked for shit that men don't get attacked for (look at all the ugly face memes of Michelle Obama and AOC, you just don't see those of males).

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Apr 14 2020 01:19pm