Democrats run a partisan impeachment probe in the House and then act flabbergasted that they're going to get a partisan trial in the Senate.

Pelosi is too old to contest with the left-wing of her party. It's time to retire.

Cool hypothesis, except he just spoke and was dovish announcing no more military action, and stock market goes heavy in the green.

Like i said his number one concern is the economy, he's not going to destroy the success of his number 1 issue which pretty much everyone agrees will give him best hope to get reelected for a conflict 8 months away from election who everyone will most likely forget assuming no escalation.

Trump is a paradox of needs. He needs a strong economy, and he needs to look strong on the world stage, while also needing to maintain the anti-interventionism label, while also needing to get reelected.

In general he's not in much danger for re-election, especially with the chaotic democratic field.

I was just speaking in generalities while also meme'ing a bit. Per Trump, if you're worried about re-election you can stoke war. His words.

Now obvious loaded into the "Only way Obama can get re-elected...." statement is the 2011 economy, slowly recovering from the 2008 market crashes. Still the general principal applies, even if it's mitigated by a strong economy. No one wants to switch horses midstream.

People get hung up on Trump being hypocritical or using double speak as if 99% of politicians don't do the same. I mean historically war has been good for the incumbent but currently we are in a climate in which the american public has lived through the long drawn out conflicts of Iraq/Afghanistan/Syria and want very little to do with it. I think in the current environment the 'go to war' strategy would be a very flawed one.

No Americans dead means Trump has this opportunity to back down and not lose too much face.

I hope he takes this option... I imagine most will be advising him to do so. Other than Pompeo ofc. That warmongering religious zealot is just thirsty for Arab blood. Fingers crossed he gets a real bad case of flu or something so some more levelheaded individuals are sitting on the potus' shoulder.

TBH I'm not sure war was even a winning strategy for Obama in 2011. especially during a recession.

imo that clip represents just hate for Obama by Trump. He wanted to message to the American people that Obama was a warmonger to try and hurt him in the election.

Wars are a better strategy for midterms, people dont accuse you of doing it for reelection, but 2 years later you're still at war and people dont want to swap midwar. Especially after seeing things like the bungled pullout by Obama/HRC that created ISIS. Campaign promises, even when delivered on late, can become terrible military strategy.

Itd be one hell of a win to boot, kill a bad guy without starting a war
Whats not to like?

Agreed, my thoughts as well. Can only hope things settle.down now.

But now in light of this plane going down, who knows. My initial speculation is that Iran is on super high alert and accidentally shot it down.

It wasn't because much of the lefts base is generally not pro war. It's a better move for a Republican imo.

I think it's a really good political strategy when the other side is the initial aggressor. Something like Pearl Harbor or 9/11 would get the populace support 10/10 times. Even most far left hippies would stfu out of fear because the mob would be so angry and pumped. Everyone agrees Iraq was a terrible idea now but then everyone and their Buddhist monk was for going to war.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Jan 8 2020 11:33am

i agree generally right > left here. but also think that's tempered WAY back compared to a GWB or similar type guy, because Trump's brand is so anti-intervention.