Europe for Europeans only.
We had crusades over it.
Hope this helps.

and sadly land is MAYBE half of it, the other half is every Palestinian knows someone who was killed, or beaten, or displaced. so its just a revenge fight. while iran and co. flood in weapons and whip up young men to be martyrs.

Humanity hasn't been in the chat for a long time

Sure it is a cycle, and what will happen in Gaza will cause an even bigger escalation. I don't even blame Isreal for feeling the need to do it but at the end of the day they are completely reliant on foreign aid to survive so if this triggers a wider conflict, which looks likely, the whole western goof troop is going to get dragged along for the fun

I read in my news: "immediate shutdown of water supply in Gaza"
I can understand that terrorists have to be punished, but Gaza == 2.37 millions people, so i sincerly hope this story of cutting water is some kind of a bluff, or temporary like a day or two.

On a side note i read that in 2021:
"The prolonged Israeli blockade has led to a “serious deterioration” in the quality of water in Gaza: according to the Euro-Mediterranean Human Rights Observatory, based in Geneva, 97% of the water is contaminated."
=> I guess it's false information, only bastards would do that...

This post was edited by Meanwhile on Oct 9 2023 09:35am

So hopeless tbh

The dream of a 2 state solution got hopium when the SA and UAE Israeli back channel alliance was was revealed. but i think thats dead now.

SA just ended all negotiations with Israel

It is a tragedy that isn’t getting enough attention. It is sad because all parties (bar Iran) stood to heavily gain from that deal. Iran, US, Saudi Arabia

That’s not accurate as far as I know

In fact Saudi was willing to increase oil output as a good faith measure just yesterday

I do see the deal falling apart but that hasn’t happened yet

This post was edited by Bazi on Oct 9 2023 09:47am

let's not re-write history. you originally asked me "why would you have a problem with israel defending itself", even though i repeatedly stated the opposite in this thread.

an appropriate response would be using the literal trillions worth of military equipment and intelligence assets at their disposal to go after (arrest / eliminate) actual combatants, those that have or clearly are about to attack israel - and not indiscriminately bomb and starve out a densely populated area full of women, children, and innocent people, which are already de facto imprisoned and severely deprived of basic freedoms and resources by israel in the first place.

the act of telling them to "leave", while holding the keys to their cell, and knowing exactly that the vast majority of them simply don't even have the means to do so, just further illustrates the cruelty of israel's far-right government. they are literal terrorists themselves.