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Quote (EndlessSky @ Apr 29 2021 01:36pm)
Which real life example are we cartoonishly representing now?


how about the guy a few weeks back with a temp plate in the rear window who was maced inside of his own car for refusing the unlawful order to exit his vehicle.

he didnt die, but was black, so was told he should have followed orders. if he had a "dont tread on me" bumper sticker and pasty skin tho i bet those libertarian leaning types would have been in "fuck pigs" mode that they selectively seem to jump into.
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Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 29 2021 02:03pm)
and that post doesn't say

police = tyranny, it says police unjustly handing out death sentences = tyranny. or really for a better example any unlawful order.

if a guy refuses to follow an unlawful order the libertarians tend to get riled up if he gets bodyslammed, if a guy refuses to follow an unlawful order and eats lead and dies the same people often say "should have done what he was told". its like dying changes the law, it doesnt.


Citation needed.

libertarians are not cop apologist caricatures.

Quote (EndlessSky @ Apr 29 2021 02:36pm)
Which real life example are we cartoonishly representing now?


I'm also interested in the answer to this question^
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Quote (cambovenzi @ Apr 29 2021 01:45pm)
Citation needed.

libertarians are not cop apologist caricatures.



I'm also interested in the answer to this question^


i can amend "the libertarian types" to "some libertarian leanings people" if it makes u feel better, as i did in my 2nd post.

i wouldn't refer to them as literature libertarians, more of the type who heard rhetoric and all they took from it is "gubment gon leave me alone" then bought a dont tread on me flag.
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Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 29 2021 02:44pm)
how about the guy a few weeks back with a temp plate in the rear window who was maced inside of his own car for refusing the unlawful order to exit his vehicle.

he didnt die, but was black, so was told he should have followed orders. if he had a "dont tread on me" bumper sticker and pasty skin tho i bet those libertarian leaning types would have been in "fuck pigs" mode that they selectively seem to jump into.


No one died or was permanently harmed. So I would assume the black man will be paid in the 5 figures due to an incoming civil suit against the police department.
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Quote (EndlessSky @ Apr 29 2021 01:59pm)
No one died or was permanently harmed. So I would assume the black man will be paid in the 5 figures due to an incoming civil suit against the police department.


that's kinda my point, if someone doesnt die people are all for the person getting paid shitloads, if they die its "should have followed orders, he'd be alive".

without actually talking about the lawfulness of the orders.

someone who dies as a result of an unlawful order being ignored is a victim, not an idiot.
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Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 29 2021 02:52pm)
i can amend "the libertarian types" to "some libertarian leanings people" if it makes u feel better, as i did in my 2nd post.

i wouldn't refer to them as literature libertarians, more of the type who heard rhetoric and all they took from it is "gubment gon leave me alone" then bought a dont tread on me flag.


I'd prefer you leave libertarianism out of it.

Some blue lives matter republican on facebook is not representative of libertarians.

You used a case that doesn't fit the description of what you said, and have no examples of libertarians cheering the police action.
Just some weaselly dig at libertarians with an imaginary double standard you fabricated.

Actual libertarians who have a '"fuck pigs" mode' aren't the ones cheering police shootings over not obeying orders.
Instead they are highlighting cases like the murders of Daniel Shaver and Duncan Lemp
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Quote (cambovenzi @ Apr 29 2021 02:05pm)
I'd prefer you leave libertarianism out of it.

Some blue lives matter republican on facebook is not representative of libertarians.

You used a case that doesn't fit the description of what you said, and have no examples of libertarians cheering the police action.
Just some weaselly dig at libertarians with an imaginary double standard you fabricated.

Actual libertarians who have a '"fuck pigs" mode' aren't the ones cheering police shootings over not obeying orders.
Instead they are highlighting cases like the murders of Daniel Shaver and Duncan Lemp


Id prefer that the country wasnt filled with idiots who call themselves libertarians that have only a vague idea of what that even means and generally mumble "umm taxes, uhhh dont take my guns, stay off my property" when u ask for their actual beliefs.

maybe you're lucky enough not to be surrounded by such, but i am. and when i read surfs post it resonated perfectly with them.

its funny tho that you take my quick example to mean i have no examples and want me to do what? link facebook posts from years ago to prove my point. typical cam i guess. kneejerk jerk lol.
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wow, snipa's posts were really painful to read xD
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Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 29 2021 03:02pm)
that's kinda my point, if someone doesnt die people are all for the person getting paid shitloads, if they die its "should have followed orders, he'd be alive".

without actually talking about the lawfulness of the orders.

someone who dies as a result of an unlawful order being ignored is a victim, not an idiot.



The big detail no one wants to talk about is the police encounters. Ive encountered a police officer like twice in my life.

If you get pulled over twenty times your risk factor is naturally going to be higher. Im not sure the entire math but your methodology might not help.
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Quote (thesnipa @ Apr 29 2021 03:32pm)
Id prefer that the country wasnt filled with idiots who call themselves libertarians that have only a vague idea of what that even means and generally mumble "umm taxes, uhhh dont take my guns, stay off my property" when u ask for their actual beliefs.

maybe you're lucky enough not to be surrounded by such, but i am. and when i read surfs post it resonated perfectly with them.

its funny tho that you take my quick example to mean i have no examples and want me to do what? link facebook posts from years ago to prove my point. typical cam i guess. kneejerk jerk lol.


I wish the country was filled with libertarians. Even ones who aren't particularly knowledgeable about it. Its simply not the case.

These 'idiots who call themselves libertarians who only have a vague idea of what that even means' sounds a lot like you are describing yourself.

I correctly noted numerous flaws in your shitty attempt to smear libertarians. Naturally you don't like that.
Calling me a jerk for it is a coping mechanism to ease that ugly feeling you have from being wrong.

If the only proof you can muster to substantiate your 'point' (read: poorly constructed strawman) is your friend's facebook post from 5 years ago you should probably shut up about it.
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