The image explains it's methodology. Went to another calculator that doesn't take height into account. It said 40 1.5oz shots of vodka over two hours. That's 1 more shot than is in a full handle (commonly referred to as a half gallon) of vodka. The difference one way or another between 2 hours and 8 hours on that calculator was almost nothing another shot, more or less. So figure right around a handle spread out over an 8 hour period? And if you're talking about an alcoholic, chances are, high levels of daily drinking. It wouldn't allow a week's worth, but in a 72 hour period, it indicated 90 drinks (aka 2 handles + 12 shots, so 2 handles and 3/4's of a fifth) would put you at .893.

Not entirely certain which calculator to believe, but regardless, you're talking about a very large amount of alcohol. Not necessarily an undoable amount, but once you get to that point, the amount of time required to metabolize it all out is pretty insane. Figure a multi-day hangover at the least.

George Floyd said he wasn't on any drugs, so the officers never provided such care. They simply called paramedics after they saw foaming from the mouth and abnormal behavior, at which time they also suspected excited delirium.

The media doesn't give any straight answers on this unless you watch the full arrest video.


George Floyd's system had no tolerance to fentanyl at the time - because he had overdosed a month prior and had gone cold turkey since/finding god/etc.

It looks like google scrubbed the results for this.


All of the prosecution's witnesses were registered democrats. Their testimony about the fentanyl was inconsistent. The way opioids cause death is through respiratory arrest. The artery blockage contributed to his respiratory arrest.

The defense witness gave this testimony:


Blocked artery:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/new-court-docs-say-george-floyd-had-fatal-level-of-fentanyl-in-his-system/ar-BB18pb0p


The knee hold was potentially justified because suspects undergoing excited delirium have a profound history of springing awake in a strong, hyperconscious state. The excited delirium training is separate from the hold training so there was probably a lack of clarity.

I'm confused. You say that on one hand the cops didn't know he was on drugs and they didn't bother providing care but at the same time the knee hold was potentially justified because they knew he was on drugs and going through excited delirium?

So they did or didn't know?

This post was edited by SBD on Apr 24 2021 09:42am

It makes perfect sens if you dont ignore causality

At the beginning they had zero information and Floyd said he didnt do drugs

After Floyd behaved erratically and foamed at the mouth, the cops called paramedics and suspected excited delirium.

Im gonna watch the arrest video so i can comment on it later. But can you give me the sources on the fatal levels of fentanyl? (The MSN article is rather vague and unspecific) Afaik he found God etc. long ago and was trying to help the youth while still struggling from an addiction problem. Pulmonary edema is quite the diagnosis and not a very common complication of opioid OD. He was also handcuffed which dramatically decreases his threat even if he were to spring up like speed users occasionally do so the knee-hold can't still be justified.

My point about his clogged arteries is that it would contribute to his death in any case and not specifically with fentanyl. Based on the MSN article he had a 75% clogged coronary artery, which means he had coronary heart disease. That would contribute to his death in both the asphyxiation-by-officer case and the overdose theory so it isn't really helpful i think. It just means his physiological reserves are smaller and death occurs more easily in a lot of situations.

E: you can't be cherry picking btw. The same article says the following:

"In Baker's final report after watching the videos, he ruled Floyd's death a homicide caused by "law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression."

The FBI asked the Armed Forces Medical Examiner to review Baker's autopsy and they agreed with his findings, writing "his death was caused by the police subdual and restraint" with cardiovascular disease and drug intoxication contributing."

"We've all had cases where those kinds of of levels come into play. You've got to look at the whole picture," Nelson said. "It's one thing to die *with* something. It's another thing to die *from* something."

You can't just look at lab values. This is how medicine works, you have to look at the big picture and here the big picture seems to speak for death by officer's actions. But ill try to watch the videos later on.

This post was edited by Neptunus on Apr 25 2021 08:51am

Fake tweet is fake.

I know, they're just saying what was left unsaid.