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Apr 11 2021 02:15pm
Communism - sounds great in practice absolutely terrible because it assumes the ruling dictator party to be saints and competent people. With few of the upsides which are greatly overshadowed by many many worldwide examples

Monarchy - herridatary dictatorship of aristocracy, outdated system

Constitutional Republic - best thing for our race. Too many outside forces trying to dismantle and subvert which is why it's crumbling. Its the best example of working and prospering system to date

Mmp system - it's OK current mixed system of representatives

Banking cartel and their fiat currency - it unofficialy governs the world and usually not toward the greater good but to fewer good

Capitalism is fantastic energy of entrepreneurship which has empowered and progressed our world faster and more advanced then anything else on earth prior, unfortunately it is under a thumb of banking cartels and develops greed and inequality
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Quote (duffman316 @ 11 Apr 2021 21:23)
i've already said i'm more than happy to ignore the history of the matter and made a thread to discuss communist ideas you've yet to engage in - threads still there if you want to discuss the topic of exploitation

also ... you ask for nuance in a political picture thread and post ghot level memes like this


lol, that's a literal FACT though. i do get that the framing triggers many people, especially those conditioned to treat politics with a very simplistic, black and white appoach, rather defending really shitty things happening because of late stage capitalism (in this case a combination of a divide and rule approach of a two party system, a corporate-owned ruling class, and monetary interests of private prison operators) than admitting there might be better alternatives, yet the equivalence you're trying to draw here is a false one:
i don't reject capitalism as a whole, and i'm not suggesting that locking up large swaths of your population for minor, non-violent offences is an inevitable consequence of having a capitalist economy. i'm saying that's what can happen when it's left largely unchecked - just like the countless wars for oil and profit, the significant disempowerment of the working class, incredible inequality, a healthcare system so messed up that it would ruin a large percentage of the population if they were to have a semi-serious health problem... capitalist motives are directly responsible for those outcomes. however, there are plenty of nations that find healthier balances, without being starving communist dystopias.

as to your thread, i've already voiced my disappointment concerning your loaded approach, but might reconsider depending on your reply to the serious responses you got. judging from your recent posts i'm not exactly optimistic about the possibility of a good faith debate, but i will make an extra effort to keep an open mind.

Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ 11 Apr 2021 20:55)
nice reply fender, i have to admit that i got rekt


thank you. just had to change a few words to make you sound like a remotely intelligent and self-aware person.

it's amazing that you have the audacity to talk about dodges though - in the very thread you just recently dodged my pointing out of how your "radical left wing capitalists are deliberately destroying traditional families for profit reasons" conspiracy is not just insane on its face, but also logically and economically inconsistent and contradicting. just like you dodged my reply debunking your science denial concerning co2 and global warming.

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Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ Apr 11 2021 10:12am)
socialism/communism: everybody is poor except a few party members

capitalism: there is only a handful of losers, everyone else comes out lightyears ahead compared to the socialist slave class

after dozens of millions of deaths, gulags, concentration camps, famines and building walls to keep people in, this discussion still exists



Unfortunately, the human race is not completely logical. It falls prey to mental tricks like "the most popular player on the team is the backup QB" and "the grass is always greener on the other side of the fence". So no matter how good people have it, many think they should tear everything down and go try something else. When they reach critical mass, a civilization can collapse for no reason.
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Quote (fender @ Apr 11 2021 10:22pm)
lol, that's a literal FACT though. i do get that the framing triggers many people, especially those conditioned to treat politics with a very simplistic, black and white appoach, rather defending really shitty things happening because of late stage capitalism (in this case a combination of a divide and rule approach of a two party system, a corporate-owned ruling class, and monetary interests of private prison operators) than admitting there might be better alternatives, yet the equivalence you're trying to draw here is a false one:
i don't reject capitalism as a whole, and i'm not suggesting that locking up large swaths of your population for minor, non-violent offences is an inevitable consequence of having a capitalist economy. i'm saying that's what can happen when it's left largely unchecked - just like the countless wars for oil and profit, the significant disempowerment of the working class, incredible inequality, a healthcare system so messed up that it would ruin a large percentage of the population if they were to have a semi-serious health problem... capitalist motives are directly responsible for those outcomes. however, there are plenty of nations that find healthier balances, without being starving communist dystopias.

as to your thread, i've already voiced my disappointment concerning your loaded approach, but might reconsider depending on your reply to the serious responses you got. judging from your recent posts i'm not exactly optimistic about the possibility of a good faith debate, but i will make an extra effort to keep an open mind.



thank you. just had to change a few words to make you sound like a remotely intelligent and self-aware person.

it's amazing you have the audacity to talk about dodges though - in the very thread you just recently dodged my pointing out of how your "radical left wing capitalists are deliberately destroying traditional families for profit reasons" conspiracy is not just insane on its face, but also logically and economically inconsistent and contradicting. just like you dodged my reply debunking your science denial concerning co2 and global warming.


i stopped talking to you, because you cant read and you just repeat your buzzwords like a broken tape recorder, science denier, bigot, incel, bla bla

there is nothing to reply to in your rants

you got exposed for moronic double standards, downplaying communism by both cambovenzi and me

you literally used your own talking points against yourself, everyone even remotely right will get your brownshirt, nazi rants, but when its about communism its suddenly "not everyone"

you are the classic german leftist extremist, making nazi comparisons, but when its time to condemn gulags...its suddenly something different

its "everyone was a nazi" when it suits you and "but....but capitalism..." when socialist mass murder is on the table

and please stop acting like you care about the "victims" capitalism produces, because you should realise that capitalism making enough money to support useless loudmouths like you, is the only reason you can write your crap on this forum instead of collecting plastic bottles for 25 cents with your antifa buddies

actually collecting bottles is 100 times more honest work than whatever you are doing

you got exposed, deal with it and now go back to posting marx quotes on twitter


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Quote (JohnnyMcCoy @ 11 Apr 2021 22:52)
i stopped talking to you, because you cant read and you just repeat your buzzwords like a broken tape recorder, science denier, bigot, incel, bla bla

there is nothing to reply to in your rants

you got exposed for moronic double standards, downplaying communism by both cambovenzi and me

you literally used your own talking points against yourself, everyone even remotely right will get your brownshirt, nazi rants, but when its about communism its suddenly "not everyone"

you are the classic german leftist extremist, making nazi comparisons, but when its time to condemn gulags...its suddenly something different

its "everyone was a nazi" when it suits you and "but....but capitalism..." when socialist mass murder is on the table

and please stop acting like you care about the "victims" capitalism produces, because you should realise that capitalism making enough money to support useless loudmouths like you, is the only reason you can write your crap on this forum instead of collecting plastic bottles for 25 cents with your antifa buddies

actually collecting bottles is 100 times more honest work than whatever you are doing

you got exposed, deal with it and now go back to posting marx quotes on twitter


another dodge, another mad rant obsessing over my private life, lol. at least have the balls to log onto your main account, ampoo.
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Apr 11 2021 03:18pm
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This is why every American should have enough $$ saved up to fly to Europe to be treated. Those people were idiots and should have known better.
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Quote (thundercock @ 11 Apr 2021 23:18)
This is why every American should have enough $$ saved up to fly to Europe to be treated. Those people were idiots and should have known better.


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Quote (fender @ Apr 11 2021 01:22pm)


the person who posted that is an actual liar. anybody who isn't a complete idiot would be able to sense the bullshit
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Apr 11 2021 03:37pm
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Until the Republican party is destroyed, that's not going to happen. They managed to turn a profitable Post Office into a worthless organization. I'm still going to Europe for treatment for the rest of my life.
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Quote (proccy @ 11 Apr 2021 23:35)
the person who posted that is an actual liar. anybody who isn't a complete idiot would be able to sense the bullshit


are you suggesting those studies don't actually exist? or what did ro khanna lie about?
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