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Sep 27 2023 02:24pm
Quote (Modulok2405 @ Sep 22 2023 10:14am)
awesome. theres thousands of those


well its getting really quiet on your end. thats ok we are really close to finishing (probably), lets move on
do you remember the topic of of whale evolution? were the 'scientist found a fossil that was missing parts so he just up and decided what to draw in?
this is something like that. if you do this long enough (reviewing "missing link fossils") you will find one thing in common. the "missing link fossils are in really chit shape. and thats how the magic happens. the 'inference kicks in..........aka imagination ........ and you can pump out a monkey man
now
i will post a picture of Australopithecus afarensis (lucy) fossil. notice its missing face,hands,feet.
do you want to do a commentary why/how they decided on human feet?


This post was edited by TiStuff on Sep 27 2023 02:25pm
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Quote (TiStuff @ Sep 27 2023 04:24pm)
well its getting really quiet on your end. thats ok we are really close to finishing (probably), lets move on
do you remember the topic of of whale evolution? were the 'scientist found a fossil that was missing parts so he just up and decided what to draw in?
this is something like that. if you do this long enough (reviewing "missing link fossils") you will find one thing in common. the "missing link fossils are in really chit shape. and thats how the magic happens. the 'inference kicks in..........aka imagination ........ and you can pump out a monkey man
now
i will post a picture of Australopithecus afarensis (lucy) fossil. notice its missing face,hands,feet.
do you want to do a commentary why/how they decided on human feet?
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e0/Reconstruction_of_the_fossil_skeleton_of_%22Lucy%22_the_Australopithecus_afarensis.jpg


WOW! You make some GREAT points and so true. LOVE THIS POST from you! How did they decide of human feet?

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Sep 27 2023 09:59pm
Quote (Modulok2405 @ Sep 28 2023 01:39am)
I dont know if I have free will. Never said I have. Its a question I cant answer and I never said I could.


You were pretty adamant about this. Here are some of your previous qutoes.

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Free Will CANNOT exist if someone knows what your decision will be in the end. It is not a decision anymore. It is predetermined.


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So if you claim there is a god and he is all knowing, then free will cannot exist.


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If god exists and is omnipotent, free will cant be.


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If free will exists, god cannot.

If god exists, free will cannot.

Its pretty simple.


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Which "two of...me?"

I only speak for myself here okay? Not for other users.

God cannot give us free will, if he knows the future.

Free Will CANNOT exist if someone knows what your decision will be in the end. It is not a decision anymore. It is predetermined.


Since we are on the belief that God does exist because you know that's what we believe, it would follow that you would think you have no free will. Now you are not sure if you have free will or not? I'm confused by your logic. Are you still undecided?
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Sep 27 2023 10:37pm
Quote (TiStuff @ Sep 27 2023 10:07pm)
just because it is known what you will do doesnt mean your made to do it



to what degree of 'knowing ends free will?


1. Thats exactly what it means

2. There is no degree of knowing. If something is predetermined, you have no choice.

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You were pretty adamant about this. Here are some of your previous qutoes.











Since we are on the belief that God does exist because you know that's what we believe, it would follow that you would think you have no free will. Now you are not sure if you have free will or not? I'm confused by your logic. Are you still undecided?


I do not believe that god exists and every single quote of me you posted here just states that there wouldnt be free will IF god existed. The confused one is you, because you are unable to understand simple logic.

I personally do not have any reason to believe god exists. And the question of free will is - as I said - one that I cant answer. I could only answer it if he existed, which no one is able to prove.

If god exists, we dont have free will.
If he doesnt exist, both is possible. I dont know what it would be in that case. No one knows.

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Quote (Modulok2405 @ Sep 27 2023 09:37pm)
1. Thats exactly what it means

2. There is no degree of knowing. If something is predetermined, you have no choice.


what do you mean "there is no degree of knowing"
even if you did have a choice?
i wonder how many people decide not to commit a crime because they might be caught? i wonder how many commit a crime because they think they will get away with it. this influnces their decision making? does that in your mind disprove God?
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we almost done here. do you still want to participate?
do you remember the topic of of whale evolution? were the 'scientist found a fossil that was missing parts so he just up and decided what to draw in?
this is something like that. if you do this long enough (reviewing "missing link fossils") you will find one thing in common. the "missing link fossils are in really chit shape. and thats how the magic happens. the 'inference kicks in..........aka imagination ........ and you can pump out a monkey man
now
i will post a picture of Australopithecus afarensis (lucy) fossil. notice its missing face,hands,feet.
do you want to do a commentary why/how they decided on human feet?


Quote (xfrodobagginsx @ Sep 27 2023 07:41pm)
WOW! You make some GREAT points and so true. LOVE THIS POST from you! How did they decide of human feet?


will tell pretty soon. at the moment trying to get the 'atheist science type to participate
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Quote (TiStuff @ Sep 28 2023 08:28am)
what do you mean "there is no degree of knowing"
even if you did have a choice?
i wonder how many people decide not to commit a crime because they might be caught? i wonder how many commit a crime because they think they will get away with it. this influnces their decision making? does that in your mind disprove God?


Just because we think we made a decision, doesnt mean we actually made a decision. Just because it appears like we have a choice, doesnt mean we actually have a choice.
You might think you decided to not commit a crime for whatever reason, but you cant know if you really had a choice. It could be the perfect illusion.

For example just like a random number generator is the almost perfect illusion of randomness without being really random.

If life is predetermined, all choices are nothing but an illusion.

Even if god does not exist, its still already a scientific fact that our brain has made a choice long before our consciousness acknowledges it.
So when we make a choice, it was already made. This is a fact.
What we dont know is, if this decision we made subconsciously was actually a decision by will or not.

This post was edited by Modulok2405 on Sep 28 2023 01:39am
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Sep 28 2023 01:15am
Quote (TiStuff @ Sep 28 2023 08:28am)

i will post a picture of Australopithecus afarensis (lucy) fossil. notice its missing face,hands,feet


I see the picture, thx. What do you want me to do with it? Am I a scientist now? Please elaborate.

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Quote (Modulok2405 @ Sep 28 2023 12:15am)
I see the picture, thx. What do you want me to do with it? Am I a scientist now? Please elaborate.


i asked a plain simple question about it. how did they decide to give it human feet?
the parts of the fossil that are there are ape. the parts of the fossil that are not there are human?
a person doesnt have to be a scientist to figure out that sounds like bullchit

This post was edited by TiStuff on Sep 28 2023 08:51am
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Quote (Modulok2405 @ Sep 28 2023 12:13am)
Just because we think we made a decision, doesnt mean we actually made a decision. Just because it appears like we have a choice, doesnt mean we actually have a choice.
You might think you decided to not commit a crime for whatever reason, but you cant know if you really had a choice. It could be the perfect illusion.

For example just like a random number generator is the almost perfect illusion of randomness without being really random.

If life is predetermined, all choices are nothing but an illusion.

Even if god does not exist, its still already a scientific fact that our brain has made a choice long before our consciousness acknowledges it.
So when we make a choice, it was already made. This is a fact.
What we dont know is, if this decision we made subconsciously was actually a decision by will or not.


dawkins once made the argument referring to life looking designed. he said something like "its not designed, its only the appearance of design. obviously to protect his preferred world view. which wasnt/isnt very scientific

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