Most rankings of US presidents have him firmly in 3rd place (behind the obvious Lincoln and Washington); even conservative scholars tend to place him in the top5.

FDR was not perfect. The Japanese internment will forever be a stain on our country. But yeah... he was a wildly successful president who took the country through an insanely difficult time and we came out the other side as kings of the world.

American conservatives seem to worship incompetence honestly. Trump and Bush were their last 2 presidents. Reagan was a horrible president who opened the door to most of the problems we have today and grew the economy by sacrificing our future.

FDR was a piece of shit and so was Lincoln.

That's, just like, your opinion man.

Personally I think of half the country secedes over slavery that's already enough of a moral justification to go to war with them, and that they started raiding federal forts shortly after secession is just icing on the justification cake.

and no, let's not argue over if the president of the confederacy, almost every declaration of secession, and writings of basically everybody at the time was wrong about the primary motivation being the preservation of slavery. It was. There has never been a serious debate about it. They spelled it out quite clearly.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Apr 6 2021 10:05am

"Up to bat came old man Lincoln, now there's a man who was really thinkin."

Did I ever say the War of Northern Aggression wasn't about slavery? How about Lincoln's habeas corpus? Draft? Institution of the original income tax? Lincoln was a piece of shit.

It really depends on how you define cancel culture. Is Trump calling for boycotts on specific companies over policy disagreements cancel culture? Is it limited to just the mob going after an individual's job? I agree that there is an authoritarian streak running through this country right now where certain people try to silence and crush the opposition. We need to be more tolerant of opposing views and I think corporations should grow some balls and stand up for the free exchange of ideas.

I have very little sympathy for the right given that they practically invented cancel culture. Evangelical Christians have tried to silence opposing ideas for decades. Most people on the right who are upset about cancel culture are hypocrites and are just upset that the chickens have come home to roost.

As for equity vs. equality I think it's important to keep track of the unintended effects of your policies. It's no different than looking out for poor white people who are displaced in the work force. I think Democrats go way too far when they focus on race/ethnicity so much but you absolutely should do something to address both the pipeline and the people who suffered under a shitty system.

FDR led the country out of the Great Depression and through WW2, established a basic welfare state and accomplished many other things which reverberate to this day. His general policy direction was so successful that his New Deal Coalition dominated American politics for over a third of a century. Had the popular, centrist and unideological general Eisenhower, who was not a partisan politician and courted by both parties, decided to run as a Democrat instead of a Republican, Democrats might well have won 9 presidential elections in a row (from 1932 through 1964) based on the platform and coalition FDR had assembled.

FDR was an authoritarian SOB who did a lot of questionable stuff, but his negatives pale in comparison to the copious amount of big accomplishments. There really is no arguing that he left the country vastly more wealthy and powerful at the end of his presidency.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Apr 6 2021 11:52am

No he wasn't lol. He is incredibly overrated by Republicans but he did some very very important things. Historians usually have him in the top quartile for good reason.



IMO, Lincoln didn't go far enough. Lincoln should have ordered the mass execution of all Confederate officers. If the Founding Fathers wanted states to be able to secede, they would have made constitutional provisions for it. They wanted a single nation and the Southern states voluntarily joined the Union KNOWING that it was a permanent deal.