You were quoting mises in our argument a few days ago you liar.

A hand full... As in everybody on the forum. Ive asked you before to point out anybody you can have a real conversation with and you've failed. You can't even find a single person on the forum who takes you seriously. Maybe take the hint and realize its not literally everybody else who is the problem.

I doubt you could even manufacture a coherent definition for liberalism. Its basically all of the doublethink you've been programmed with from your media consumption.

Pretending that i'm an authoritarian, bootlicker and trump-lover or whatever other nonsense you come up with continues to be an extremely poor, immature and anti-intellectual replacement for an argument.
You are disgracing yourself.

I cited Ludwig von Mises himself. One of the most legendary and crucial libertarians there ever was.. Yet you persist with pretending its not libertarian. A pathetic distraction.
The real point of contention between us is the fact that I am indeed a vocal libertarian and you are an authoritarian leftist with a bad personality disorder. You HATE that I criticize authoritarian leftists and refute their narratives.. you lash out with false personal attacks.

Continually insulting me with idiotic nonsense is your deflection from the arguments and statements that you do not like.
Why tackle arguments and engage in introspection when you can pretend anyone who disagrees with you is the other, the evil racist or trump-bootlicker, and dismiss what they say out of hand?
Considering points and intellectually responding to them would require effort, knowledge and strength of character.. much harder than merely calling someone names and pretending you are being virtuous.

Mises' criticism of progressivism remains very accurate and crushing. He had a great understanding of totalitarian ideologies and how they rise to power.
I suggest you actually read and consider his arguments before dismissing him as absurd or not libertarian.



Incorrect.

You brought him up and laughably called him a corporate bootlicker and then a leftist because you were upset with something I said. (you were caught lying)

You also tend to falsely conflate Ludwig von Mises with the Mises Institute. The Mises Institute's website mises.org hosts a range of works by various authors. They have a significant library available online for free.

Before calling me a liar again you should recall the last 100 times you were wrong and doubt yourself.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Mar 30 2021 07:13pm

I have no doubts, i am always right when it comes to your weird posting, no one here is buying whatever you are trying to sell.

good on you for at least indirectly admitting i was right about your (obvious) intention, and your transparent little backpedal, pretending you were just posting a historic quote without any relevance concerning today's politics, was just a desperate face saving attempt.

so let me reiterate my original point: that's outright laughable coming from you of all people, a proud trump bootlicker and white nationalist apologist. you're projecting hard. the true danger in terms of fascism is OBVIOUSLY the right - the very people you constantly defend, against every single principle of that silly little ideology you pretend to subscribe to.

you might see yourself as the ludwig mises of this sub, in reality you're more like our dinesh d'souza.

This is part of the problem.

You have no doubt you are always right. No analysis needed. Differing thoughts and pertinent facts are mere snake oil. An evil scam.

You confidently and proudly declare you are not buying what I am selling!! YES!!! I am right and he is wrong! I feel it!
He proved me wrong?!? Nay, don't think about that.. I am always right.. What about this other thing!? Mises was a corporate bootlicker.. or maybe he was a leftist...! There! I got him good!

Impervious to facts and reason, a zealous close-mindedness rules the day.

I... just...

I can't even fathom the lack of self awareness that is required for you to say this.

You just described yourself literally down to the sub atomic level.

Its both a historic quote from a passage critical of actual Hitler and a timeless criticism of progressivism that helped totalitarians like him rise to power.

Its not my fault you stumbled trying to meme.



Another dishonest and despicable attempt to deflect and make yourself feel better about your poor behavior and anti-intellectualism.
Repeating these lies hundreds of times won't make it come true. Libel and slander will never be a valid replacement for intellectual arguments and good character.


This is merely what you WANT to be correct. You identify as left. So left is good, right is bad and evil. No more thinking needed.

The left-right spectrum is deeply flawed and insufficient.
Progressives and socialists of modern 'left' parties are often deeply authoritarian and fascistic.

"favoring or enforcing strict obedience to authority, especially that of the government, at the expense of personal freedom."
"centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition"

Much of the modern left is obsessed with expanding the size and scope of government, confiscating and controlling wealth, and strictly controlling and centrally planning the economy.
But the right is bad! There are racists somewhere! They are the real threat! does not change the above from fact to fiction.
Gun confiscation, tax increases, ever-pervasive government regulations in every corner of the economy, looting churches.. the list of authoritarian policies goes on and on.

Now does this mean I love everything you would consider right wing or Republican? Or that they don't also have authoritarians and support expansions of government? No. I have often criticized republicans and openly despise major factions.
I hate the neocons. They have lost some major battles and much of their influence in the republican party. That is a good thing.

Trump was deeply flawed, lacked deep knowledge on a number of topics, and was generally unprincipled. He presided over a serious expansion of government.
But that doesn't mean he is wrong or evil on every policy or action TDS leftists freaked out about.
Nor does it mean that he wasn't clearly the lesser evil when compared to sinister government agencies, the hyper-authoritarian progressives/socialists and their new neocon friends.

I advocate and support liberty and truth. Even on issues where authoritarian leftists disagree with the big bad orange man. There is no contradiction or authoritarian bootlicking there.
You can't find a single issue on which I have embraced authoritarianism or abandoned libertarian principles.