If we push Turkey into Russia's arm then that's really bad. We've already done this to some extent and Turkey already decided that they won't let the US dictate policy when they bought the S-400s from Russia.

Maybe I'm wrong but I see certain similarities between our relationship with Turkey with what happened in Iran decades ago. It feels like it might be heading that way which is not a net good for us in the region.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Apr 21 2021 06:53pm

Turkey is a neighbor to Russia and a direct competitor. The risk of them falling under Russia's orbit is relatively low.

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Turkey and Russia have been fierce rivals for literally hundreds of years. Their size and military as well as economic might is of a comparable magnitude, comparable enough that neither of them will accept a subordinate role to the other. Turkey will neither become Russia's best friend, nor will it become Russia's lapdog.





The situation in Turkey also cannot be compared to that in Iran. Back during the 50s, Iran was one of the most modern and democratic countries of the islamic world. When a left-leaning PM wanted to use the country's oil revenues for his own people instead of selling them off cheap, he was overthrown in a coup organized by the CIA and the MI6 and replaced by an unpopular puppet regime, which was in turn overthrown by the Islamic revolution which transformed the country into a theocracy right off the bat.

By contrast, Turkey never had big natural resources and started out as a secular de-facto military dictatorship which was aligned with the West. During the 90s and 2000s, the religious conservatives led by Erdogan and his AKP took over as a result of a long series of democratic elections. They were initially quite moderate and conducted several effective reforms, resulting in a high popularity. It was only in the late 2000s and early 2010s that Erdogan's power eroded and he became increasingly authoritarian and despotic.


So the islamist encroachment happened gradually and organically in Turkey, while it happened aburptly and as a result of massive foreign meddling in the case of Iran. The current political situation in Turkey is largely the result of choices the Turkish people made out of its own volition, while a direct causality chain can be drawn between corrupt actions of the West in Iran and the country's present, fucked up situation.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Apr 22 2021 12:12am

Yeah, they have been historical adversaries but I think you are putting too much emphasis on history and the shifting alliances and geopolitical winds.

Russia sold them S-400s. Those aren't the most advanced missile interceptors but they are still advanced enough to be useful to countries like Turkey. Would you be selling your enemy missile interceptors? Probably not.

Turkey isn't going to become Russia's lap dog, but if it's increasingly being alienated by the US as well as other strong Euro countries like Germany. The fact that Israel and Greece also signed military pacts most recently is another signal to them. They're going to want to have at least some friends around them, or at least someone to buy weapons from in case something happens. Russia's more than happy to fill that role.

This post was edited by ofthevoid on Apr 22 2021 02:03pm

You are once again thinking about it the wrong way: in recent years, Turkey has been alienating the West, not the other way round. I already mentioned numerous instances of the shitty or outright antagonistic behavior by Turkey, and there's a lot more I could add to the list.

I agree it's their fault but that's not the point. What the Saudis have done with Wahhabism as well as the recent war in Yemen is much worse than what Turkey has been doing, yet look how little we're trying to step on their toes.

I may not like Turkey but they are of strategic importance in that region for us. IMO, not worth burning that bridge over virtue signaling.

Biden's plan to fight terrorism?..

...give Iran billions of dollars.

for governments it seems to be a choice between jewish and islam

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