This post is both dishonest and a lie.
I have not dodged i have ignored all the random tangents you go off on in an attempt to dodge.
That's a different thing entirely.

This post was edited by Plaguefear on Mar 26 2021 06:51pm

'I know you are but what am I?' is not a valid rebuttal. Very childish.
Like I said, not worth my time. You aren't mentally up for the task.

Agreed.

Uh that analogy doesn't fit at all.
"You aren't mentally up for the task" he states whilst furiously dodging the one point i have stuck to from the start and throwing out hundreds of strawmen and ad hominems.
I am not dodging anything i am intentionally ignoring all the unrelated tangents you go off on.

This post was edited by Plaguefear on Mar 26 2021 06:53pm

You aren't capable of determining what fits and what doesn't.

I called you out for lying and you pretended I'm lying in response.

Another dodge, you support money in politics, YOU said this less than a page ago..
You are dodging the fact that money in politics is a major restrictor on the freedom of anyone who is not wealthy.. because you are a dishonest hack.
Stop dodging and lying and address my point.


"Lobbyists are merely a symptom of massive government power. Banning formal lobbying does not remove that power and doesn't remove people from influencing politicians to support bad policies and undue benefits.
The ability to petition government is in the first amendment. Banning it is not the epitome of freedom." Cam - the liar.

This post was edited by Plaguefear on Mar 26 2021 06:54pm

Ok lets ask our viewers.
Does this:


work in the context of my post?



Because to me you just look more dull by the second.
Your intelligence extends far enough to read everything mises ever wrote and believe it as gospel but not far beyond that, you call a lot of people here dumb when you would be lucky to lace their boots.

Look I get it. You are angry that you are beneath me. That doesn't make lying OK, nor does it magically mean I am the one who is lying.

Yes I said that. I stand behind what I said.
Make a legitimate and honest argument against what I said or admit I am correct.
Quoting what I said does not make it a lie.

That was not your point from the start, nor does it adequately address what I have said.
Your original 'point' was falsely claiming my definition of freedom must be 'locked in a cage'.
You then started making up stories about me and laughably insinuated I'm not intelligent when I pointed out how idiotic and wrong that was.

Banning lobbying is not the definition or main criteria of freedom.
That does not mean I love lobbyists or don't recognize that some lobbyists lobby the government to use their power to their benefit and towards anti-freedom ends.
I merely recognize the obvious fact that banning people from lobbying the government is not the litmus test for freedom.

The actual government policies and their enforcement are what restricts freedom. anti-freedom policies can and do exist independent of paid formal lobbyists.

"Lobbyists are merely a symptom of massive government power. Banning formal lobbying does not remove that power and doesn't remove people from influencing politicians to support bad policies and undue benefits." - Me

What a great quote.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Mar 26 2021 07:07pm

Ah see my locked in a cage comment WAS an analogy, i gave you too much credit i guess, you seem to be much less intelligent than i thought and believe me the bar was low to begin with.
I was pointing out that under you corporate bootlicking "right libertarians" there is less freedom because you want to cut the regulations and safeguards we have spent generations putting up to PROTECT the people from the oligarchs you worship as gods.
Lobbying is a direct restriction on freedom as in the current oligarchy money counts more than votes or public opinion.
You champion the cause of the rich and do not give a damn about the poor, right libertarianism is a joke created by the greedy rich to try to get as much power back as they could, libertarianism already existed on the left for a thousand + years and equality is a core tenant.
You are nothing but a parrot and a shill, if i wanted to know what mises thought about anything i would read his dribble.



Ah see, but thats just it, this is NOT the case because we LITERALLY have anti bribery laws, so if lobbying was ended the practice would then be illegal..
But hey i guess you are a genius so you must have just overlooked that.
What are you smart in comparison to? a potato?
Ending money in politics is removing some of the incentive to favour the rich over your constituents.

This post was edited by Plaguefear on Mar 26 2021 07:14pm

I don't care what you think. You are unintelligent garbage.
Intelligent people often look stupid or evil to actual stupid people like yourself.

Yes you immediately calling me a liar in response to me pointing out that you are lying clearly justifies my response. Its sad that you cant understand that.


A dishonest insult does not substantiate itself.


Libertarians oppose a number of regulations that restrict freedom and often lead to bad outcomes. Many of these regulations are supported by large corporations and the super-wealthy because it benefits them and/or harms their competition.

Pretending those regulations are actually all lovely and necessary does not make opposition to government regulations that restrict freedom somehow anti-freedom.
Thats an idiotic opposite-day tier position.

Falsely pretending libertarians worship oligarchs is another baseless and completely stupid claim. Libertarians are the primary critic of government.


LOL No its not.


Another fact-free story.
You aren't up for the task of honestly addressing the arguments or ideology so you make up a story about libertarians loving oligarchs and not caring about the poor.
Its intellectually invalid and dishonest.

Now that your lies have been debunked again its probably time for you to go back to claiming liberty is fascism or racist for a few weeks then circle back around.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Mar 26 2021 07:30pm