d2jsp
Log InRegister
d2jsp Forums > Off-Topic > General Chat > Political & Religious Debate > Official Political Picture Thread
Prev1443044314432443344345001Next
Closed New Topic New Poll
Member
Posts: 35,291
Joined: Aug 17 2004
Gold: 12,730.67
Mar 26 2021 05:02pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Mar 26 2021 03:55pm)
CATO are a bunch of cucks, not the ultimate libertarian thinktank.

Their criteria and rankings are also wildly different from the one supportively cited by fender.
Using metrics like size of government, freedom to trade, freedom of association, regulations, etc is far better than the nonsensical leftist garbage in fender's post that misdefines freedom as equality, less polarization and democracy.

libertarians are fighting for more liberty in America. That doesn't mean emulating non-libertarian aspects of countries someone ranked higher in economic freedom.


https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/2021-03/human-freedom-index-2020.pdf
It seems that they rank personal freedom and economic freedom equally which creates the "Human Freedom Index."

What criteria do you have a problem with for each index?
Member
Posts: 53,552
Joined: Mar 6 2008
Gold: 1,908.33
Mar 26 2021 05:10pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Mar 26 2021 06:57pm)
Again, you are completely wrong.
It is EASILY possible to lower the amount of influence money has in politics and anyone with even a tenth of the intellect you think you has would recognise that.
As to democracy not being freedom either..
Ok so your idea of freedom is literally some made up situation that lives only inside your head and that would NOT lead to better outcomes for the majority?
At least you have the freedom to be delusional i guess.


Saying I'm "wrong" because you dont like what I say and coming up with legitimate arguments to show why I am wrong are two very different things.
You have failed to even address the points.

Recognizing that a government enforcing the whims of the mob on everyone else is not the definition of freedom does not mean I am saying whatever strawman you feel like coming up with, no.
A number of freedom/liberty restricting policies have had majority support. a majority or plurality voting for a policy or politician does not inherently make whatever policies that are enacted conducive with freedom. This shouldn't be a difficult concept.

Fabricating stories about what I believe and then calling me delusional and unintelligent is really quite something. You are the village idiot.
Member
Posts: 53,552
Joined: Mar 6 2008
Gold: 1,908.33
Mar 26 2021 05:17pm
Quote (thundercock @ Mar 26 2021 07:02pm)
https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/2021-03/human-freedom-index-2020.pdf
It seems that they rank personal freedom and economic freedom equally which creates the "Human Freedom Index."

What criteria do you have a problem with for each index?


I'm saying the CATO index is far better than the shit leftist one that fender posted. They are at least using metrics related to actual freedom.

I disagreed with portraying them as the ultimate libertarian think tank. They are not.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Mar 26 2021 05:19pm
Member
Posts: 35,291
Joined: Aug 17 2004
Gold: 12,730.67
Mar 26 2021 05:35pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Mar 26 2021 04:17pm)
I'm saying the CATO index is far better than the shit leftist one that fender posted. They are at least using metrics related to actual freedom.

I disagreed with portraying them as the ultimate libertarian think tank. They are not.


Well, they are "ultimate" in the sense that they are by FAR the most influential think tank for libertarian thought. The Ludwig von Mises Institute for instance has far fewer media references, less money, less traffic, etc.
Member
Posts: 34,649
Joined: Jul 2 2007
Gold: 273.37
Mar 26 2021 05:41pm
Quote (thundercock @ Mar 26 2021 07:35pm)
Well, they are "ultimate" in the sense that they are by FAR the most influential think tank for libertarian thought. The Ludwig von Mises Institute for instance has far fewer media references, less money, less traffic, etc.


Quote (thundercock @ Mar 26 2021 07:02pm)
https://www.cato.org/sites/cato.org/files/2021-03/human-freedom-index-2020.pdf
It seems that they rank personal freedom and economic freedom equally which creates the "Human Freedom Index."

What criteria do you have a problem with for each index?


Is this 2020 or 2018? Having Hong Kong on this list at this point should honestly be disqualifying.
Member
Posts: 49,896
Joined: Jun 19 2006
Gold: 3.88
Mar 26 2021 05:45pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Mar 27 2021 10:10am)
Saying I'm "wrong" because you dont like what I say and coming up with legitimate arguments to show why I am wrong are two very different things.
You have failed to even address the points.

Recognizing that a government enforcing the whims of the mob on everyone else is not the definition of freedom does not mean I am saying whatever strawman you feel like coming up with, no.
A number of freedom/liberty restricting policies have had majority support. a majority or plurality voting for a policy or politician does not inherently make whatever policies that are enacted conducive with freedom. This shouldn't be a difficult concept.

Fabricating stories about what I believe and then calling me delusional and unintelligent is really quite something. You are the village idiot.


That's a lot of words to say very little, you still have not addressed the fact that money in lobbying is restricting freedom.. because right libertarianism is an abomination that only cares about the rights and freedom of the oligarchs.
Which is why you have to keep dodging because admitting this fact will reveal how mortally bankrupt your belief system truly is.
Member
Posts: 35,291
Joined: Aug 17 2004
Gold: 12,730.67
Mar 26 2021 05:53pm
Quote (bogie160 @ Mar 26 2021 04:41pm)
Is this 2020 or 2018? Having Hong Kong on this list at this point should honestly be disqualifying.


2018. That's why I said HK is no longer applicable.
Member
Posts: 53,552
Joined: Mar 6 2008
Gold: 1,908.33
Mar 26 2021 06:40pm
This post is a violation of the site rules and appropriate action was taken.

Quote (Plaguefear @ Mar 26 2021 07:45pm)
That's a lot of words to say very little, you still have not addressed the fact that money in lobbying is restricting freedom.. because right libertarianism is an abomination that only cares about the rights and freedom of the oligarchs.
Which is why you have to keep dodging because admitting this fact will reveal how mortally bankrupt your belief system truly is.


Dishonest and stupid are not good character traits.

You are lying about my beliefs and libertarianism because you can't refute my points or libertarianism. Not worth my time arguing with such a dishonest low IQ individual.

This post was edited by cambovenzi on Mar 26 2021 06:41pm
Member
Posts: 49,896
Joined: Jun 19 2006
Gold: 3.88
Mar 26 2021 06:46pm
Quote (cambovenzi @ Mar 27 2021 11:40am)
Dishonest and stupid are not good character traits.

You are lying about my beliefs and libertarianism because you can't refute my points or libertarianism. Not worth my time arguing with such a dishonest low IQ individual.


Another dodge, you support money in politics, YOU said this less than a page ago..
You are doddging the fact that money in politics is a major restrictor on the freedom of anyone who is not wealthy.. because you are a dishonest hack.
Stop dodging and lying and address my point.


"Lobbyists are merely a symptom of massive government power. Banning formal lobbying does not remove that power and doesn't remove people from influencing politicians to support bad policies and undue benefits.
The ability to petition government is in the first amendment. Banning it is not the epitome of freedom." Cam - the liar.

This post was edited by Plaguefear on Mar 26 2021 06:49pm
Member
Posts: 53,552
Joined: Mar 6 2008
Gold: 1,908.33
Mar 26 2021 06:49pm
Quote (Plaguefear @ Mar 26 2021 08:46pm)
Another dodge, you support money in politics, YOU said this less than a page ago..
You are doddging the fact that money in politics is a major restrictor on the freedom of anyone who is not wealthy.. because you are a dishonest hack.
Stop dodging and lying and address my point.


You have dodged every point and have resorted to blatantly lying.

Nothing I have said is dishonest or a lie.


This post was edited by cambovenzi on Mar 26 2021 06:50pm
Go Back To Political & Religious Debate Topic List
Prev1443044314432443344345001Next
Closed New Topic New Poll