Where is he a politican?
I already explained why his opinion does not prove what you want it to and you didn't address that, just tried to obfuscate it once again. Funny how despite him being such a good source you chose to quote the ADL instead, just grabbing the first sources that confirm your beliefs I guess?

Just to be clear the cheering and clapping you are referring to is that one video of the hamas member driving past on an ATV, where one person in the crowd goes "woooooo!"?

So the right wing accusations of nazi flag wavers being feds is realistic but accusing the masked hamas guy of being one is insane conspiracy?

I don't care about distancing myself from antisemitic tropes because I care about accuracy more than virtue signaling. I'm not antisemitic and don't need to prove it to you or anyone else, you can assume I am if you like though. Again this behaviour is hilarious to see from the right who for years has complained about this sort of slander from leftists.



This is an amazing display of mental gymnastics. It is funny how emotional and ridiculous you behave when you can't rely on facts, you are acting just like leftists have for years. The funniest part of all of this is that even if you were correct about any of this nonsense it would not justify the ethnic cleansing taking place at the moment.

All it took for you to regress 20 years into a George Dubya JR republican was a couple lies from the Israeli government. You have been radicalized by leftist ideology to such an extent you base your worldview on it even though you oppose it. You can't differentiate between Palestinians and the people you despise in your own country and the scariest thing is despite conflating the two your preferred method of solving the problem is ethnic cleansing.

This post was edited by DizzyBusiness on Nov 4 2023 02:36am

I'm going to start a new drinking game for PARD
Every time DizzyBusiness says "I already...." about some point he completely flubbed and wants to gloss over, its down the hatch
with a blood alcohol content this far gone all Hamas would need to take us down is a match



If you cared about being accurate in your definitions you'd probably pay attention to the leading theorists in the field who spent their whole lives elaborating on the subject you're fumbling about. People who made the explicit distinction between what are antisemitic tropes and what are criticisms of israel and its policies. Now, I could explain to you why "denying the Jewish people's right to existence and self-determination" is so fundamental a concept in discussions about antisemitism and the Israeli-Palestinian peace process that its not just foremost in such frameworks but featured right at the forefront of high level peace talks like the oslo accords and camp david summit. But at this point its a bit like teaching a fish to climb a tree

Sure if that makes you feel better about it go ahead, it certainly couldn't make your arguments any worse.


What have I fumbled? Seems I've addressed every point you've brought up and you haven't been able to argue with any of it. Maybe read through our conversation again when you've calmed down a bit. I do love the "trust the experts" angle though, always great for times when you can't back something up yourself. I wonder how consistent you are in this view

Anti zionism is not "denying the Jewish people's right to existence and self-determination" though so explain away, it won't help you in supporting the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. Jews existed before zionism and will exist after it is dead, many most likely in what is left of israel as the western power supporting it wanes. If you truly cared about keeping jews safe you wouldn't conflate them with zionists because that is the number one cause of hatred towards them. If you truly cared about keeping the jews safe you wouldn't insist the only way to do so is by using them as a western colony and foothold in a hostile region who has never agreed to the imposition.



Look how safe they are wow, looks great
https://twitter.com/matef144/status/1720560730158637205?t=kcnpaWfzKZC_OK4BWHk_HA&s=19

Look how pro jew they are wow, looks great
https://twitter.com/BlackstoneIntel/status/1720475726271459636?t=HBKpZk8vgAMvcugEt0_vKA&s=19

This post was edited by DizzyBusiness on Nov 4 2023 03:25am

Do Arab/Muslim people feel obliged to support Palestinians regardless of the atrocities Hamas committed in the name of Islamic jihad?

I certainly see that phenomenon.

You see them waking up in Gaza now.

A mother that lost her child yells all this is because of Hamas dogs
And her son puts his hand on her mouth to try and shut her up because he is afraid for her life

This post was edited by Many_Names on Nov 4 2023 05:50am

Yup. Automatic supporters. Some of them wouldn’t be able to locate Israel on the map yet they support their Muslim brothers.

They are telling the truth all the time, the self righteous left who gets their votes from Muslims simply dont hear it.

Hear this:
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CzMM528ro_g/?igshid=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==

This post was edited by Many_Names on Nov 4 2023 06:32am

They aren't a monolith so it varies, there are Muslims and Arabs who support everything Israel does just as there are Muslims and Arabs who support everything Hamas does. Look at all the military arms being shipped from Islamic countries to Israel, they obviously aren't all in for Hamas or they would be sending them in an entirely different fashion.

Most Muslims and Arabs probably do support Palestine but whether that translates to uncritical support of every action committed in their name is not black and white. You are generally supportive of western power yet you don't support everything western countries do, it is the same thing here.

Is it not a fact that the Israeli government has drawn up plans to get rid of Palestinians from the river to the sea ? Is it not double standards to condemn Hamas (who cannot achieve this goal) and not the Israeli Government, who can achieve this goal, and are expediting this goall ?

happy to debate the point, but if challenging, please make reference to the Israeli plans, which have been documented and proven factual.

"A forced exodus from Gaza to Egypt? Israeli ‘concept paper’ fuels outrage"
"Egypt denounces Israeli 'wartime proposal' to forcibly displace Palestinians to North Sinai"
"Israel-Palestine war: Proposals to push Gaza's Palestinians into Egypt stoke fear of settler replacement"

This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 4 2023 08:12am

you might wanna ask the hamas leadership with its millionaires and even billionaires where all the resources are

they are in their pockets or invested to attempt to next holocaust

that plus digging up water pipes for rockets and then blame israel for the misery, while still having obesity rates like the west (how can you starve people and they are still fat?)

"YOU HAS NO WATER COS OF THEM JUICE!!!!11! ALLAHU AKBAR"

fucking hamas propaganda