yea? what about it

I think it answers the question I was posing in many ways.

that's vague

yes, the wrongfully and illegally imprisoned and discriminated against should just stop resisting if they don't want to get killed at vastly disproportionate rates, true. i'm sure you would, but some people value freedom and human dignity.

i merely posted that graphic to debunk the simplistic "israel is the poor innocent victim living in constant fear" narrative, when the simple reality is that it has been arresting, torturing, discriminating, maiming and murdering journalists, protesters, civilians, kids, doctors, and women for decades, significantly more than hamas terrorists did, and it has been destroying homes and wells, stealing land and resources, blocking aid and equipment that palestinians need to build a better society for decades.



here's what an ACTUAL call to genocide looks like:



"... spare them not, but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling..." - and the IDF as well as israeli "settlers" in west bank (something we just seem to ignore in this thread) are doing exactly that.

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I mean it in a literal way. I asked a question, and you gave a genuine answer. Good stuff.

"3 days ago"? I'm citing Sharansky for a reason, he's the head of the Institute for the Study of Global Antisemitism and Policy, the guy who laid out the standard by which to explicitly separate criticism of Israel from anti-semitism under his "3 D's standard", which last I checked he wrote about 20 years ago;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Ds_of_antisemitism
You know, some time after he spent a decade in soviet gulags for being a refusenik dissident outspoken against soviet antisemitism and antizionism, giving him plenty of time to explore the distinction.

I'm struggling to imagine a person I could possibly cite who would be more relevant and authoritative on the concept. Its like I was making a point about molecular biology and the humane genome and cited a column written by Watson and you said "but its only from 3 days ago!". Why yes, he's still alive, no matter how much the SJWs wished otherwise



I was a few streets away when that "masked hamas guy" cruised around on an ATV, how much closer do I need to be before I believe my own lying eyes? If I want to know what anyone in that pro-Hamas crowd believes, I need only listen to them.
The last time Nazis showed up at a conservative rally, the proud boys kicked their asses and forcibly ejected them. Weird. Its almost like there's a difference

Again, that's the thing about free speech. Its not just about allowing people to express themselves, its about allowing people to express themselves. We can all see it with our own eyes, hear it with our own ears. Democrats can't pretend they aren't in bed with terrorists when the Hamas supporters march in the streets with Democratic politicians.

yeah I think it's incredibly weird and most likely a lie for someone to pretend they value all lives equally no matter the conditions.

most people are going to value their family over a complete stranger they've never met

but the question still requires context, as there are plenty of situations where it would be correct to bomb said american building

The whole ADL thing brings up another good point
I've been saying for years that the ADL has been consciously running cover for creeping antisemitism among the left and instead been captured and wielded as a political hatchet against the right. Jonathan Greenblatt loves to post statistics tortured into oblivion by blatantly manipulating data just to skew it to their political agenda, which abdicated their mantle of 'fighting antisemitism' and just became 'fighting whatever democrats happen to oppose at a given time'. Its not like their use as a political bludgeon existed in a vacuum with no consequences. When they stopped calling out leftwing antisemitism, it festered and reached a fever pitch. It wasn't just some wacky black hebrew israelites, its the fact that when those black nationalists did go out and massacre jews, the average citizens of new jersey stood around cheering the attackers and heckling the victims. Well now the pro-hamas marchers are in every major US city cheering for the most dead jews since the holocaust. Too bad the ADL spent the last decade chasing imaginary cryptonazis.

Yes 3 days ago, which is when you said the article you referenced was written lol. Let's go with 20 years though, the phrase and it's varying interpretations have existed since the 60's so you are still short a few years to actually prove what you want to prove. If he conflates antiozionism with antisemitism he is a complete moron who probably developed some mental condition during his captivity. Your appeal to authority of the ADL was a better bet tbh.





You could cite God himself and it wouldn't matter unless the citation somehow proves there was never varying interpretations which there obviously were so I dont think this appeal to authority is going to work for you champ. Maybe just call me a terrorist and move on to posting more blatant propaganda, you are out of your depth apparantly.




Did you meet him goom? Otherwise how the fuck does your proximity to the protest make any difference? That is probably one of the stupidest takes you have had on this yet and you also didn't address the question. Nazi flags fake because proud boys good, hamas flag real because leftists bad. Rules for thee but not for me!


You are once again conflating support for Palestinians with support for hamas because your position looks absolutely insane without doing so. Absolutely pathetic.

You know, if you're totally ignorant about a subject and don't even know who the heck people being referenced are, you can just choose not to post replies about it instead of trying to stumble and bs your way through it. This isn't some awkward in person social interaction where you have to smile and nod and pretend. Natan Sharansky, who you have never heard of until today, did not spring into existence just 3 days ago with a column in Tablet. He's been a politician, activist and leader of counter-anti-semitism organizations with a particularly well known theoretical framework for how to define antisemitism and distinguish it from legitimate criticism of israel. You know, the topic we were talking about. The guy who actually codified what qualities define antisemitism and used his personal history of combating a regime that weaved that line of antizionism and antisemitism in its oppression.



The crowd was cheering and clapping its approval. You just made some absolutely baseless insinuation of a false flag conspiracy theory in a throwaway comment, all too ironically to support your point trying to distance yourself from antisemitic tropes. I saw that crowd with my own eyes, I know it was real, you're here trying to spin some wild line about doubting its authenticity.


And that's really all you've got at this point, isn't it? Telling us not to believe our own eyes? That's why I like freedom of speech so much. You can't defend the people shouting their support for another holocaust. If you could censor them, you could pretend they didn't hold their terrorist sympathies. Well I've always said to believe nazis and terrorists when they tell you what they are, and boy do they love waving Hamas flags and Swastikas in public