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Oct 30 2019 02:21pm
Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Oct 30 2019 07:11pm)
So finally there will be elections.

Michel Barnier: "Nobody in Europe wants to prevent Brexit" & London "will have to respect a level playing field*".

*Here i'm curious to know how it will end.


Lol m8. No-one yet mentioned how the EU dealt with Johnson's extension request. He was given a flextension, The time to leave the EU could be chosen at any point within the next 3 months. It's a brilliant response to the 3 letters.
The EU has not always been flexible, but agreeing to a new deal with Johnson that had passed the parliament is a win fom both sides. Blame for not be willing to get it done, cannot be thrown to the EU or Johnson anymore.

Right now the ball is again at the UK, and for the democratic process, I'm happy with new elections to solidify the deal. Not voting if you're against this deal as a student, is imo actually condoning it to happen. And that is fine because they are the ones responsible to create a counter movement for wanting to stay in the EU, it's their future !

Johnson in the election has a stronger hand than the opposition. He has a concrete plan for Brexit that has passed the parliament. You know what you get when you vote, it's a vision easy to defend. Even with all the charts of ppl not expecting Johnson to do what's best for the country. ppl will vote on it based on clarity. As for Corbyn. He'll either need to twist again and need to go for a no-leave campaign, or have further uncertainty with a not yet negotiated new deal, just days before the deadline.

/e: The only thing that ticks me though:

You'll agree. That we don't know how Brexit will be executed due to the elections.. this again fucks up preparations for companies, infrastructure and legislation. Most important downside.. The elections should be a month earlier. Or we'll be up for further extensions mandatory by having elections... (/e: actually a month isn't enough :S. Extension coming in)


Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 28 2019 09:57pm)
At the end of the day, it imho is only a question of time until Corbyn is replaced as Labour leader by Keir Starmer.


Your cancel Corbyn campaign needs substance.. Lol, what was that?

This post was edited by Knoppie on Oct 30 2019 02:49pm
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Oct 30 2019 02:33pm
I'm glad we're finally getting the election to settle things and move forward. The previous/current parliament was clearly gridlocked, and it was elected in 2017 based on a very different state of affairs in the Brexit process.

This time around, there is a lot of clarity: Johnson presented a withdrawal agreement that lays out a concrete vision for Brexit and does not contain sneaky shenanigans like the backstop in May's deal. On the other side of the aisile, this is the big chance for the remainers to stop Brexit if they win a strong majority of seats. (The only side lacking in clarity is Corbyn/Labour...)

Turnout should be very high, everyone knows the stakes, there are no excuses anymore.


Inb4 we get yet another hung parliament XD :wallbash:

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Oct 30 2019 03:12pm
Quote (Knoppie @ 30 Oct 2019 21:21)
Lol m8. No-one yet mentioned how the EU dealt with Johnson's extension request. He was given a flextension, The time to leave the EU could be chosen at any point within the next 3 months. It's a brilliant response to the 3 letters.
The EU has not always been flexible, but agreeing to a new deal with Johnson that had passed the parliament is a win fom both sides. Blame for not be willing to get it done, cannot be thrown to the EU or Johnson anymore.

Right now the ball is again at the UK, and for the democratic process, I'm happy with new elections to solidify the deal. Not voting if you're against this deal as a student, is imo actually condoning it to happen. And that is fine because they are the ones responsible to create a counter movement for wanting to stay in the EU, it's their future !

Johnson in the election has a stronger hand than the opposition. He has a concrete plan for Brexit that has passed the parliament. You know what you get when you vote, it's a vision easy to defend. Even with all the charts of ppl not expecting Johnson to do what's best for the country. ppl will vote on it based on clarity. As for Corbyn. He'll either need to twist again and need to go for a no-leave campaign, or have further uncertainty with a not yet negotiated new deal, just days before the deadline.

/e: The only thing that ticks me though:

You'll agree. That we don't know how Brexit will be executed due to the elections.. this again fucks up preparations for companies, infrastructure and legislation. Most important downside.. The elections should be a month earlier. Or we'll be up for further extensions mandatory by having elections... (/e: actually a month isn't enough :S. Extension coming in)




Your cancel Corbyn campaign needs substance.. Lol, what was that?


First there's the elections, then eventually the negotiations. I don't think EU will make it easy for UK to appears as a winner.../

No idea how labor will act during this mini-campaign, information goes fast today, and 1 month is enough to change the opinion.


Anyway, no one can bitch on Corbyn anymore, better to fear him;

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-50241393

^_^ NHS discussion will be epic. UK about to become vassal to the US etc...
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50252630

Thank fuck this little toad has finally been suspended. Hopefully he has the decency to finally step down completely and fuck off.

Disgrace to leicester.
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Oct 31 2019 03:25pm


I'm curious to see if the split in age has worsened over time during Brexit.
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Oct 31 2019 03:40pm
Quote (balrog66 @ 31 Oct 2019 22:25)
https://i.imgur.com/b4U4dx6.png

I'm curious to see if the split in age has worsened over time during Brexit.


That age split is really HUUUUGE. :wacko:

Also interesting to see how the LibDems are basically the only major party with even support among all age groups.
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Oct 31 2019 03:58pm
Quote (WNxIrvine @ 31 Oct 2019 17:10)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-50252630

Thank fuck this little toad has finally been suspended. Hopefully he has the decency to finally step down completely and fuck off.

Disgrace to leicester.



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It said there was "compelling evidence" he offered to pay for a class A drug and had paid-for sex in August 2016
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Wow so he was seeking for non-lethal drug and it cost him 6 months and probably his career.

Why are you so mad at him ? Where is the prejudice and how the average (and brave) citizen like the one you are got screwed by this ?
How about a conservative beating his wife ?
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Oct 31 2019 05:14pm
Tories are pushing a deal which will leave the UK worse off than in the EU and potentially break up the Union.

Labour want to renegotiate another deal with the EU including closer ties in a customs union and have a second referendum on whether to take it or remain. But most Labour MPs would be campaigning for people to vote against the deal they just negotiated, which means surely the EU would just offer Labour a bad deal to force people to vote remain in a referendum.

Lib Dems want to reverse Brexit entirely by revoking article 50 without even a second referendum. They have absolutely no mandate to do that.

If you put a gun to my head I'd vote Labour purely for their Brexit policy but I can't vote for Corbyn with my conscience clear. As a result, I won't be voting this election.
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Quote (dro94 @ 1 Nov 2019 00:14)
Tories are pushing a deal which will leave the UK worse off than in the EU and potentially break up the Union.

Labour want to renegotiate another deal with the EU including closer ties in a customs union and have a second referendum on whether to take it or remain. But most Labour MPs would be campaigning for people to vote against the deal they just negotiated, which means surely the EU would just offer Labour a bad deal to force people to vote remain in a referendum.

Lib Dems want to reverse Brexit entirely by revoking article 50 without even a second referendum. They have absolutely no mandate to do that.

If you put a gun to my head I'd vote Labour purely for their Brexit policy but I can't vote for Corbyn with my conscience clear. As a result, I won't be voting this election.


Lol! If there ever is a second referendum, it's crystal clear that both "leave without a deal" and "remain" must be on the ballot. If 'no deal' is not on the ballot, then Labour could not only undermine Brexit by negotiating an intentionally shitty deal, as you said, they could also undermine it by negotiating a deal which includes such close ties to the EU that it is effectively interchangable with staying in the EU altogether. In that case, those who really want to politically cut ties with the EU would have no voice/option in the 2nd referendum.

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