"from the river to the sea" has always been rooted in the concept of driving the jews out of israel
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/allegation-river-sea-palestine-will-be-free

Its always been a clear cut dividing line between those criticizing Israel for its actions as a state, and those engaging in blatant anti-semitism and calls for ethnoreligious genocide. Don't need to get into sharanky's three D's system to identify something as basic as a phase which calls for the end of israel.

Trying to creatively reinterpret it in 2023 is just a pretty dull level of terrorist apologism. Its like listening to Hillary Clinton explain to us why freedom loving sunni militias in syria and libya are just fighting for 'democracy'. If some college kids go around waving a black swastika in a white circle on a black background and try to tell us that Nazism is just a hindu mythologism about peace and brotherhood and Hitler stood for coexistence of the races, it doesn't magically get excused by saying 'muh freeze peach'. When people say what they mean, I listen to them. That's one more step in dedication to freedom of expression, I'm willing to actually pay attention to people's words and intent and see them for what they are, instead of just brush them aside with blanket excuses and denials. When folks embrace Nazis in Ukraine and Hamas in Gaza, I don't say their speech should be banned, I say we should call it out for what it is

My guy you are quoting the ADL lmao. Every number and letter in existence is antisemitic to them, I couldn't give a shit what they have to say and neither would you in any normal circumstance which makes this all the more pathetic. I wonder how the ADL feels about the majority of your political views? Tell you what I will accept the ADL opinion on this if you admit to being whatever they would accuse you of

It doesn't matter how much you try to obfuscate the issue with creative writing or historical reference. Notice how whenever I call you out on posting misinformation you always have to compare it to something else? You can't argue with what I say because I am inarguably correct so you bring up 20 other unrelated topics. The different interpretations have existed long before 2023, the only creative reinterpretation happening is on your part.

Maybe you should just try to be accurate instead of posting inflammatory propaganda and I won't have to point out your flaws so frequently.

This post was edited by DizzyBusiness on Nov 3 2023 07:20pm

And what, you thought quoting wikipedia would be a better appeal to authority against me?



There have never been 'different interpretations', its always meant the same thing. Hell, why don't I just go to a higher jewish authority and see what aforementioned sharanksy has to say about it. Why look at that, he just published a column about this very topic 3 days ago;
https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/never-again-is-now

"For those unfamiliar with geography, this means that there is no place for a Jewish state on the world map."
which of course is consistent with those standard he laid out oh so long ago;


Maybe you should look up the wikipedia articles about his standards


That's the thing about free speech. When the anti-semites are free to speak, I'm free to listen and hear them for what they are. You can't just make excuses for the folks who tattoo SS symbols on their bodies in Ukraine or the folks who wave Hamas flags in the streets of Minneapolis and those who call October 7th a good start. The real 'hate speech' of the world is right where it belongs, out in public, free for everyone to see it.

I said you didn't even have to dig to find the information and that even Wikipedia included the basics to conclude what you said wasn't accurate, It wasn't an "appeal to authority" which is what you actually did with your ADL reference.




That is just blatantly false but thanks for confirming your views are being formed by an article written 3 days ago lol, what was that about creative reinterpretation in 2023?


"Standards!" cries the man who just unironically referenced the ADL to tell me why something was "anti jew"


Anti-semite is a funny accusation for this particular conflict lol.

I haven't made any excuses for the Ukrainians, I am consistently against US imperialism, look through Russia/Ukraine if you like, I'm just as toxic to the the supporters of that travesty as I am of this. You are displaying the same bias and ignorance as the supporters of that war. Buying the same BS atrocity propaganda.

Love that the right uncritically accepts the masked hamas flag guy cruising around on an ATV but scream fed every time a nazi flag pops up at a conservative rally. It's different though because the government wouldn't use the exact same tactics against conservatives right?

Would it change how one would respond?

I imagine that such an invasion would be much more tactical than what we're seeing currently in Gaza.

yes

Why's that?

context matters as i addressed in a previous post

In looking through the previous posts, I feel this piece stands out to me the most.