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Mar 15 2021 03:23pm
Quote (fender @ Mar 15 2021 05:05pm)
i find you're more of a r/dodge guy. again, your assumption that the meme was trying to downplay stalin's crimes, rather than highlight a current issue with america's prison and justice system, is asinine at best.


I mean the meme and the reddit topic with 50k upvotes are quite explicit with the retarded meme of the ussr being freeeeeeeeer than in the usa. The essays glorifying communism in the comments and the fact that the guy that posted it seems to be an antifa wingnut commenting on how biden is too far right for his liking is pretty much all i need to assess the intent of the post. And this is even before we get into the authors r antiwork and r politics lunacy about how stealing from your capitalist boss is a good thing.

Is that you fender?
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Mar 15 2021 03:43pm
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that has to have been the most successful political meme in pard history, lol.


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I mean the meme and the reddit topic with 50k upvotes are quite explicit with the retarded meme of the ussr being freeeeeeeeer than in the usa. The essays glorifying communism in the comments and the fact that the guy that posted it seems to be an antifa wingnut commenting on how biden is too far right for his liking is pretty much all i need to assess the intent of the post. And this is even before we get into the authors r antiwork and r politics lunacy about how stealing from your capitalist boss is a good thing.

Is that you fender?


what are you even on about, you crazy person? i found that meme browsing imgur, and the message it conveys is pretty clear to me: highlighting a current issue, by pointing to a historical injustice everyone can easily identify. just to be clear, IF someone used this to justify stalin's reign of terror, when criminal justice and incarceration wasn't even the topic of the discussion, i'll be the first one to call out how pointing to the US is a lazy whataboutism, and that two injustices don't make a justice. that's not the case though, the only people triggered and desperate to frame it that way were right wingers desperate to deflect from the shameful FACTS concerning a country that loves to brand itself as the "land of the free™".
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Mar 15 2021 04:14pm
Quote (excellence @ Mar 15 2021 10:16pm)
fender trying to fight everyone again. what is it with miserable little people from dresden/prussia and this sort of behavior. least this round it wont result in an empire or reich starting another World War that we will have to finish


as a proud prussian i respectfully ask you to not connect this ridiculous person to the glorious home of my ancestors

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Mar 15 2021 04:56pm
Quote (fender @ Mar 15 2021 05:53pm)
what are you even on about, you crazy person? i found that meme browsing imgur, and the message it conveys is pretty clear to me: highlighting a current issue, by pointing to a historical injustice everyone can easily identify. just to be clear, IF someone used this to justify stalin's reign of terror, when criminal justice and incarceration wasn't even the topic of the discussion, i'll be the first one to call out how pointing to the US is a lazy whataboutism, and that two injustices don't make a justice. that's not the case though, the only people triggered and desperate to frame it that way were right wingers desperate to deflect from the shameful FACTS concerning a country that loves to brand itself as the "land of the free™".


There is a very large leftist demographic that thinks their lives would be better under communism. They find that meme appealing for reasons that go beyond what you're focusing on.
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Mar 15 2021 05:09pm
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as a proud prussian i respectfully ask you to not connect this ridiculous person to the glorious home of my ancestors

oh all i said is that he/she (fender aka heinrich von goebbels) is a little person from there. most germans/prussians are pretty cool people who dont afraid of anything.
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Mar 15 2021 06:47pm
Quote (duffman316 @ 15 Mar 2021 23:56)
There is a very large leftist demographic that thinks their lives would be better under communism. They find that meme appealing for reasons that go beyond what you're focusing on.


you're arguing from a point of ignorance if you're suggesting that discussing the benefits of communism is the same as glorifying stalin's authoritarianism. the ideological connection, if you actually read not only marx and engels, but thomas more and rousseau for example, is significantly more flimsy and disingenuous than the connection between capitalism and wars for oil, child labour, murderous robber barons, and systematic exploitation of humans - and i'm sure you'd have a huge problem with me simplistically equating those.

the simple truth is that the meme highlights a very serious issue in the so called "land of the free" - and many right wingers, who prefer to close their eyes and ears because they can't deal with criticism, went through rather impressive mental gymnastics trying to reframe it in order to deflect from that FACT.
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Mar 15 2021 07:07pm
Quote (fender @ Mar 15 2021 07:47pm)
you're arguing from a point of ignorance if you're suggesting that discussing the benefits of communism is the same as glorifying stalin's authoritarianism. the ideological connection, if you actually read not only marx and engels, but thomas more and rousseau for example, is significantly more flimsy and disingenuous than the connection between capitalism and wars for oil, child labour, murderous robber barons, and systematic exploitation of humans - and i'm sure you'd have a huge problem with me simplistically equating those.

the simple truth is that the meme highlights a very serious issue in the so called "land of the free" - and many right wingers, who prefer to close their eyes and ears because they can't deal with criticism, went through rather impressive mental gymnastics trying to reframe it in order to deflect from that FACT.


Or maybe you just don't grasp that we don't condone the rampant incarceration culture in American government and actually agree it's bad, but you pretend we feel differently, like you do in that other thread from this morning. You're all "what, you can't handle THE TRUTH™?" when no one is sitting here actually defending the point. It's like you've never heard us talk about ending the drug war, or promoting CJR. I know you accused me of supporting... get this... cops manhandling BLM protesters today. I would never, and I mean ever, support young black men arming themselves when they protest, because it's real fucking hard to shoot rubber bullets at a crowd of armed men with impunity.
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Or maybe you just don't grasp that we don't condone the rampant incarceration culture in American government and actually agree it's bad, but you pretend we feel differently, like you do in that other thread from this morning. You're all "what, you can't handle THE TRUTH™?" when no one is sitting here actually defending the point. It's like you've never heard us talk about ending the drug war, or promoting CJR. I know you accused me of supporting... get this... cops manhandling BLM protesters today. I would never, and I mean ever, support young black men arming themselves when they protest, because it's real fucking hard to shoot rubber bullets at a crowd of armed men with impunity.


stop obsessing and making shit up, you weird little stalker. i never even addressed or quoted you before you fantasised about me "confusing you" for someone else.

also, i specifically said (and you even highlighted it!) that my point is that the hacks who strawmanned the meme, claiming it was glorifying stalin's genocide, couldn't DEAL WITH the criticism, that they want to DEFLECT - not that they all necessarily rejected the facts (although i'm sure that SOME do). are you genuinely unable to make that distinction? how is it that every time we have a conversation i have to teach you such incredibly basic things? it's almost like your brain malfunctions whenever you're trying to confront me...
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Mar 15 2021 07:36pm
Quote (fender @ Mar 15 2021 08:28pm)
stop obsessing and making shit up, you weird little stalker. i never even addressed or quoted you before you fantasised about me "confusing you" for someone else.

also, i specifically said (and you even highlighted it!) that my point is that the hacks who strawmanned the meme, claiming it was glorifying stalin's genocide, couldn't DEAL WITH the criticism, that they want to DEFLECT - not that they all necessarily rejected the facts (although i'm sure that SOME do). are you genuinely unable to make that distinction? how is it that every time we have a conversation i have to teach you such incredibly basic things? it's almost like your brain malfunctions whenever you're trying to confront me...


I didn't make this up:

Quote (fender @ Mar 15 2021 06:21am)
'b-b-but that's police brutality! those people are just exercising free speech!' said the very intelligent person (who previously repeatedly supported the violent crackdown on peaceful protesters demonstrating against police brutality and racial discrimination), clutching their pearls in sympathy for his fellow science deniers.


You "quoted" balrog who was replying to me. This post was directed at me, in your passive aggressive cowardly modus operandi.
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