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Aug 10 2022 01:45pm
Quote (thundercock @ 10 Aug 2022 15:15)
Obviously the right wing is furious about this. One of the fundamental beliefs of social conservativism is that the law is there to protect them and punish others. The reverse is NOT true which is why they get so upset when people on their side are held accountable. You often see people like Goomshill defending the indefensible (he sided with Aubery's killers) due to this belief.

Having said that, I've refrained from commenting much on this because there is so much that we don't know. Sarah Isgur has a pretty good breakdown of everything here: https://podcast.thedispatch.com/p/fbi-raids-mar-a-lago-what-does-it#details

I'm of the opinion that Trump should release his copy of the warrant so that people can stop fantasizing about Trump going to prison or Hillary Clinton orchestrating her revenge on the "deplorables." It could be as simple as the FBI picked up some remaining documents and this isn't a big deal at all.


The problem is that if it is true that the warrant was overblown and really just grabbing some old documents... Trump and friends don't want his followers thinking that. He and other pubs trying to use this fuel to unite the base around a common enemy instead of so much in fighting that has been happening and not to mention use this to push his own election platform forward
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Quote (thundercock @ Aug 10 2022 02:15pm)
Obviously the right wing is furious about this. One of the fundamental beliefs of social conservativism is that the law is there to protect them and punish others. The reverse is NOT true which is why they get so upset when people on their side are held accountable. You often see people like Goomshill defending the indefensible (he sided with Aubery's killers) due to this belief.

Having said that, I've refrained from commenting much on this because there is so much that we don't know. Sarah Isgur has a pretty good breakdown of everything here: https://podcast.thedispatch.com/p/fbi-raids-mar-a-lago-what-does-it#details

I'm of the opinion that Trump should release his copy of the warrant so that people can stop fantasizing about Trump going to prison or Hillary Clinton orchestrating her revenge on the "deplorables." It could be as simple as the FBI picked up some remaining documents and this isn't a big deal at all.


Same!
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Aug 10 2022 01:55pm
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Obviously the right wing is furious about this. One of the fundamental beliefs of social conservativism is that the law is there to protect them and punish others. The reverse is NOT true which is why they get so upset when people on their side are held accountable.

This argument would have merit if not for the context of the intelligence community and the federal bureaucracy being at Trump's throat since before he was even sworn in. His presidency was deliberately undermined from the outset by excessive investigations based on questionable premises as well as brazen leaks and disloyalty. Two things are imho true at the same time: 1) Trump is a corrupt figure who did a lot of shady shit and deserves to be investigated for it. 2) The investigations into Trump were overbearing and heavily politicized.


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I'm of the opinion that Trump should release his copy of the warrant so that people can stop fantasizing about Trump going to prison or Hillary Clinton orchestrating her revenge on the "deplorables." It could be as simple as the FBI picked up some remaining documents and this isn't a big deal at all.

I agree that Trump should release the warrant. But I also think that the FBI should publicly detail its justification for conducting this raid. Was Trump really THAT uncooperative with regard to the documents he (allegedly) hadn't returned to the national archive yet? The feds storming the residence of a former president and presumptive future presidential nominee is a really drastic step which would undeniably have a lot of grave and troubling implications unless there was a damn good justification for their actions. And so far, I haven't seen any reasoning which rises to the bar of justifying such an approach.

The onus is imho on the FBI to demonstrate that they are acting on a consistent standard when it comes to holding politicians "accountable". Selective enforcement of the law based on political affiliation would be EXTREMELY dangerous to democracy, so much so that even the mere idea of the FBI being politicized is harming their work and undermining their legitimacy.

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This argument would have merit if not for the context of the intelligence community and the federal bureaucracy being at Trump's throat since before he was even sworn in. His presidency was deliberately undermined from the outset by excessive investigations based on questionable premises as well as brazen leaks and disloyalty. Two things are imho true at the same time: 1) Trump is a corrupt figure who did a lot of shady shit and deserves to be investigated for it. 2) The investigations into Trump were overbearing and heavily politicized.


I agree that Trump should release the warrant. But I also think that the FBI should publicly detail its justification for conducting this raid. Was Trump really THAT uncooperative with regard to the documents he (allegedly) hadn't returned to the national archive yet? The feds storming the residence of a former president and presumptive future presidential nominee is a really drastic step which would undeniably have a lot of grave and troubling implications unless there was a damn good justification for their actions. And so far, I haven't seen any reasoning which rises to the bar of justifying such an approach.

The onus is imho on the FBI to demonstrate that they are acting on a consistent standard when it comes to holding politicians "accountable". Selective enforcement of the law based on political affiliation would be EXTREMELY dangerous to democracy, so much so that even the mere idea of the FBI being politicized is harming their work and undermining their legitimacy.





...so much so that even the mere idea of the FBI being politicized again <---- fixed. :)


I mean, let's not forget the 2016 wiretaps in Trump Tower, NYC.

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This argument would have merit if not for the context of the intelligence community and the federal bureaucracy being at Trump's throat since before he was even sworn in. His presidency was deliberately undermined from the outset by excessive investigations based on questionable premises as well as brazen leaks and disloyalty. Two things are imho true at the same time: 1) Trump is a corrupt figure who did a lot of shady shit and deserves to be investigated for it. 2) The investigations into Trump were overbearing and heavily politicized.



I agree that Trump should release the warrant. But I also think that the FBI should publicly detail its justification for conducting this raid. Was Trump really THAT uncooperative with regard to the documents he (allegedly) hadn't returned to the national archive yet? The feds storming the residence of a former president and presumptive future presidential nominee is a really drastic step which would undeniably have a lot of grave and troubling implications unless there was a damn good justification for their actions. And so far, I haven't seen any reasoning which rises to the bar of justifying such an approach.

The onus is imho on the FBI to demonstrate that they are acting on a consistent standard when it comes to holding politicians "accountable". Selective enforcement of the law based on political affiliation would be EXTREMELY dangerous to democracy, so much so that even the mere idea of the FBI being politicized is harming their work and undermining their legitimacy.


Why are you so mad Trump is a criminal bro you acting like the dude doesn't have an absolute deplorable history filled with crime.

Like wtf

How is this happening a surprise to y'all

Everyone has been telling you that Trump is a criminal for years now he is being treated like a criminal with no knock warrant executions and you are LIKE HOW FUCKING DARE THEY like bro crawl out from under the rock you are staying
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Aug 10 2022 01:59pm
Day 3 of “Trump Watch DCXLVII”




Crickets, not even in the news cycle today. Apparently the ever corrupt Latisha James is doing something with courts and Trump for the umpteenth time. I didn’t click on the article.

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Why are you so mad Trump is a criminal bro you acting like the dude doesn't have an absolute deplorable history filled with crime.




And you're acting like this isn't true of all politicians.

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Aug 10 2022 02:05pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Aug 10 2022 12:55pm)
This argument would have merit if not for the context of the intelligence community and the federal bureaucracy being at Trump's throat since before he was even sworn in. His presidency was deliberately undermined from the outset by excessive investigations based on questionable premises as well as brazen leaks and disloyalty. Two things are imho true at the same time: 1) Trump is a corrupt figure who did a lot of shady shit and deserves to be investigated for it. 2) The investigations into Trump were overbearing and heavily politicized.


I agree that Trump should release the warrant. But I also think that the FBI should publicly detail its justification for conducting this raid. Was Trump really THAT uncooperative with regard to the documents he (allegedly) hadn't returned to the national archive yet? The feds storming the residence of a former president and presumptive future presidential nominee is a really drastic step which would undeniably have a lot of grave and troubling implications unless there was a damn good justification for their actions. And so far, I haven't seen any reasoning which rises to the bar of justifying such an approach.

The onus is imho on the FBI to demonstrate that they are acting on a consistent standard when it comes to holding politicians "accountable". Selective enforcement of the law based on political affiliation would be EXTREMELY dangerous to democracy, so much so that even the mere idea of the FBI being politicized is harming their work and undermining their legitimacy.


I wouldn't call what they did "storming." They informed Secret Service, DeSantis, etc. well before arriving and only sent in 30 agents for a MASSIVE property. In the podcast I referenced, they actually made the argument that the DOJ should NOT comment because it would be a violation of procedure. The procedure exists for a reason. Given the amount of people who would have to be involved, I can't imagine that this was taken lightly. What makes you think that this is "selective enforcement?" Wouldn't it be selective enforcement to allow Trump to break the law?
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