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Jan 29 2021 11:33am
Quote (fender @ 29 Jan 2021 11:43)
you understand that the hyperfocus on "bUrNinG dOWn rEsiDenTiaL bUiLdInGs aND LOoTiNg bUsInEsSEs", pretending like that's core to BLM (even though we know for a FACT that right wing instigators and people who have absolutely nothing to do with BLM participated in those actions, that OF COURSE deserve condemnation) is a braindead right wing talking point to distract from the fact that one is a grassroots movement addressing real grievances and systemic flaws, while the other one is an insurrection, systematically incited by months of lies and falsehoods by the president, in order to overturn a democratic election because he didn't like the outcome, right?

it's so ridiculous to draw an equivalence between those, and you uncritically perpetuating that silly talking point doesn't exactly speak for your critical thinking abilities. the whole 'who did more material damage' question is a giant red herring, intended to distract from the fundamental differences in motivation and organisation. a bit disappointing to see you buy into that so easily tbh...


>grassroots movement which addressed systemic flaws by destroying minority businesses and neighborhoods
>can buy merchandise supporting said movement from every major corporation on Earth

you posted the same thing twice in a row. repeating yourself and bolding points so you can try to understand some copy-pasta you found on reddit politics doesn't magically change reality.

most people here have condemned the 6-years of riots in the USA in the name of ending brutality and also condemned the attempted occupation of the capitol. only users like you defend the 6 years of riots that destroyed minority neighborhoods and businesses (probably because this gets you hot and bothered) and only rando multis defend the capitol attempted occupation.

e: reported, btw

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Jan 29 2021 11:46am
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I don’t care about the difference in motivation. One is a single incident of domestic terrorism that targets the government and the other is domestic terrorism that randomly targets civilians and business owners.

I get that you don't care because this doesn't happen in your back yard but anyone who's not a jobless sjw bum or an alt right delinquent can condemn both which is what i do.

Blm and looting go hand in hand and if i was a business owner id much rather have proud boys marching by my donut shop to protest the government down the street than have blm marching by to protest the police station down the street because there is non neglible chance they will rob me and burn down my store.

The Chicago Black Lives Matter organizer who justified looting as “reparation” has doubled down — insisting this week that even calling someone a criminal is “based on racism.”

Ariel Atkins told WBEZ that her group “100 percent” supports the violent looters who trashed chunks of the Windy City on Monday, again repeating her claim that it is “reparations.”

“The whole idea of criminality is based on racism anyway,” she told the NPR station.

“Because criminality is punishing people for things that they have needed to do to survive or just the way that society has affected them with white supremacist BS,” she said.


of course you don't - otherwise the whole false equivalence won't work. the only reason we even talk about the BLM movement in this thread are the transparent whataboutisms and bothsidesisms of republican hacks, who simply want to downplay the insurrection incited by trump because he lost an election, and smear the movement for social justice. you're not being 'fair' or 'objective' or whatever you tell yourself to justify that intellectually lazy stance, you're being had.
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Jan 29 2021 12:01pm
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of course you don't - otherwise the whole false equivalence won't work. the only reason we even talk about the BLM movement in this thread are the transparent whataboutisms and bothsidesisms of republican hacks, who simply want to downplay the insurrection incited by trump because he lost an election, and smear the movement for social justice. you're not being 'fair' or 'objective' or whatever you tell yourself to justify that intellectually lazy stance, you're being had.


The reason im talking only about blm with you is that you and i probably have little to no disagreements on how we perceive the insurrection incited by trump. Do you understand that mr intellectual?

Would you even care to comment on the comments by the chicago black lives leader that i referenced or is this one of of those crimestop things for you that i heard about several years ago
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Jan 29 2021 12:02pm
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>grassroots movement which addressed systemic flaws by destroying minority businesses and neighborhoods
>can buy merchandise supporting said movement from every major corporation on Earth

you posted the same thing twice in a row. repeating yourself and bolding points so you can try to understand some copy-pasta you found on reddit politics doesn't magically change reality.

most people here have condemned the 6-years of riots in the USA in the name of ending brutality and also condemned the attempted occupation of the capitol. only users like you defend the 6 years of riots that destroyed minority neighborhoods and businesses (probably because this gets you hot and bothered) and only rando multis defend the capitol attempted occupation.

e: reported, btw


really, you reported him for an online argument? we found another Karen! great, like the world needed more Karens.
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Jan 29 2021 12:07pm
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really, you reported him for an online argument? we found another Karen! great, like the world needed more Karens.


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Jan 29 2021 12:29pm
Quote (duffman316 @ 29 Jan 2021 19:01)
The reason im talking only about blm with you is that you and i probably have little to no disagreements on how we perceive the insurrection incited by trump. Do you understand that mr intellectual?

Would you even care to comment on the comments by the chicago black lives leader that i referenced or is this one of of those crimestop things for you that i heard about several years ago


no, the reason we're talking about BLM in a thread about trump's second impeachment is that you uncritically perpetuated that moronic whataboutism, even proudly stating that you don't care about the context. you just have to look at the kind of people who agree with you on this, who constantly use it in order to downplay trump's insurrection, while at the same time trying to smear a movement for social justice, and that tells you all you need to know.

i have repeatedly and unequivocally condemned acts of violence and vandalism in relation with the blm movement. i have also addressed the fact that some of it was instigated by right-wingers, bored vandals, and criminals exploiting the situation to enrich themselves. i referenced some of MLK's statements regarding violence, attempts to smear his movement by the FBI, and the media's general obsession with violent imagery, leading to gross misrepresentations about the extent of those occurrences. you can find all this in the respective threads, if you're really interested in my detailed view on this, if this isn't just an attempt to save face and pretend there was a legitimate reason to entertain those dishonest comparisons.

here, however, it serves only one purpose - and that is to draw a false equivalence between a movement for social justice, and an insurrection attempt as a result of the president lying for months because he lost a democratic election - and i will call out anyone stupid enough to buy into that idiocy.
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Jan 29 2021 01:30pm
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no, the reason we're talking about BLM in a thread about trump's second impeachment is that you uncritically perpetuated that moronic whataboutism, even proudly stating that you don't care about the context. you just have to look at the kind of people who agree with you on this, who constantly use it in order to downplay trump's insurrection, while at the same time trying to smear a movement for social justice, and that tells you all you need to know.

i have repeatedly and unequivocally condemned acts of violence and vandalism in relation with the blm movement. i have also addressed the fact that some of it was instigated by right-wingers, bored vandals, and criminals exploiting the situation to enrich themselves. i referenced some of MLK's statements regarding violence, attempts to smear his movement by the FBI, and the media's general obsession with violent imagery, leading to gross misrepresentations about the extent of those occurrences. you can find all this in the respective threads, if you're really interested in my detailed view on this, if this isn't just an attempt to save face and pretend there was a legitimate reason to entertain those dishonest comparisons.

here, however, it serves only one purpose - and that is to draw a false equivalence between a movement for social justice, and an insurrection attempt as a result of the president lying for months because he lost a democratic election - and i will call out anyone stupid enough to buy into that idiocy.


I honestly cant recall seeing it but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on this and leave it at that. I thought you identified with the super left end of the spectrum that does not have an issue with the violence within blm riots.
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Jan 29 2021 02:45pm
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I honestly cant recall seeing it but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt on this and leave it at that. I thought you identified with the super left end of the spectrum that does not have an issue with the violence within blm riots.


it's obviously a bit more complicated than that. in which context it happens, how it's portrayed, and who actually does it for what reason... those are relevant factors trying to judge those kinds of situations. doesn't matter if you personally "care" about it or not.
you can't cover that with a simplistic, self-righteous stance like 'i'm against violence' or 'i'm ok with it'. i mean, just look at the smooth-brained 'bothsides' crowd, self-aggrandisingly claiming to be "against ALL violence": for some reason, they largely don't seem to have a problem with the violence committed by police, more often than not unprovoked and / or disproportionate. that illustrates how it's not a 'principled', let alone reflected stance or anything, but a lazy excuse, trying to assume a moral highground while simultaneously smearing one of the largest movements for justice in american history.

cases of pure destructive vandalism for the sake of it, self-enrichment, instigating, thrill-seeking at the cost of others... i've always condemned that.

however, this is a thread about trump's impeachment, and the ONLY reason the BLM protests are such a prominent topic here are the dishonest whataboutisms and false equivalences by right wing hacks - and the people who are too dumb or too lazy to recognise how buying into this narrative is helping their cause of discrediting a movement for social justice, while trying to downplay an insurrection, following months of systematic lies by a president who couldn't accept that the people voted him out of office. again, somewhat disappointing how you bought into that so easily tbh.
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Feb 4 2021 03:26pm
https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/04/media/smartmatic-fox-news-giuliani-powell-lawsuit/index.html

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New York (CNN)A voting technology company swept up in baseless conspiracy theories about the 2020 election filed a monster $2.7 billion lawsuit on Thursday against Fox News, some of the network's star hosts, and pro-Trump attorneys Rudy Giuliani and Sidney Powell, alleging the parties worked in concert to wage a "disinformation campaign" that has jeopardized its very survival.

"We have no choice," Antonio Mugica, the chief executive and founder of Smartmatic, told CNN Business in an interview about the company's decision to file the lawsuit. "The disinformation campaign that was launched against us is an obliterating one. For us, this is existential, and we have to take action."

The lawsuit, filed in New York state court, accused Fox, Giuliani, Powell and hosts Lou Dobbs, Maria Bartiromo, and Jeanine Pirro of intentionally lying about Smartmatic in an effort to mislead the public into the false belief that the 2020 presidential election was stolen from former President Donald Trump.


The introduction to the lawsuit beings with "The Earth is round. Two plus two equals four. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris won the 2020 election for President and Vice President of the United States. The election was not stolen, rigged, or fixed. These are facts. They are demonstrable and irrefutable."

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https://www.cnn.com/2021/02/04/media/smartmatic-fox-news-giuliani-powell-lawsuit/index.html



The introduction to the lawsuit beings with "The Earth is round. Two plus two equals four. Joe Biden and Kamala Harris won the 2020 election for President and Vice President of the United States. The election was not stolen, rigged, or fixed. These are facts. They are demonstrable and irrefutable."

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Regardless of the veracity of their claims any election linked with them will now be spun in right wing circles as "another rigged election". Minimum they're gonna have to do is totally rebrand to make themselves less recognizable. Pretty significant potential damage claim...
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