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Aug 27 2020 12:00pm
Quote (LA-Leviathan @ Aug 27 2020 11:59am)
None of this matters. He can shoot him in the head, the leg, 80 times or once. You don't like the laws, go change them, too bad you are too inadequate to affect anything. He is a civilian ignoring direct orders from an officer while under arrest and on top of all there is a standard of probable assumption. Which was passed way before he decided to turn his back to the officer and reach into the vehicle. Again, you have zero idea how the real world works because youre a useless lefty. No one cares about your opinion.


I'm actually quite right leaning......

There is no law that one can change that would allow/prohibit shooting someone unjustifiably and attempting to murder them. A cop with a jumpy trigger finger and poor decision making under pressure does not justify firing 7 rounds. I've got a few friends that are in law enforcement, and a couple that are Chicago PD in the midst of all this bullshit. You might find their opinions interesting about this type of shit - what is a justified shooting, how they're trained, etc.

I really hope you aren't involved in law enforcement in any way, shape, or form. This isn't the wild west. You don't shoot first and ask questions later. This isn't a "let God sort them out" situation.

I've done a little research and there is conflicting reports on weather he was reaching for a knife in his car or not.

I'll type this very clearly for you as you don't seem to comprehend things well.......

The shooting is/was justifiable if he was reaching or going for a knife. Not 100% clear if that's the case.
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Aug 27 2020 12:05pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 27 2020 10:49am)
Like I say that's a bit of armchair quarterbacking isn't it? They kept giving him a lot of leeway and didn't resort to shooting him immediately, but when the officer tried to stop him getting in the vehicle, he was able to get partially inside and reach in. That made him a lot more uncontrolled in the moment. He could come up with a gun that instant, he could turn and stab the guy inches away from him. Police avoided shooting him just for being armed and combative because they thought they had the opportunity to detain him with non-lethal means, but once he escaped and introduced new risks outside of their control, they shot.

nope you can thank the local government (democrats) for being unwilling to fund the police and give them the bodycams they requested, so that grainy footage where we couldn't tell at first whether it was a gun or knife or cell phone or car keys, is all we get


Sure, but I think a lot of LEOs would agree with me. Also, if he had a knife, why would you get close to him (and make contact) with a firearm. That's a HUGE mistake (esp from someone with 7 years experience) because you're putting yourself in potentially lethal danger. If I had to guess, they thought he had a knife while wrestling, realized it wasn't, and that's why he was able to walk free. We'll see though, gotta wait for the report and additional statements.

Is the city council Democrat majority? I see that they have a GOP congressman but a Democrat mayor. I agree that it's an oversight by them to not give the police funds for body cameras but it's also possible that the PD said no to it: https://apnews.com/6435a3f69293c22ace6536e7dad72776
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Aug 27 2020 12:06pm
Quote (djman72 @ Aug 27 2020 01:00pm)
I'm actually quite right leaning......

There is no law that one can change that would allow/prohibit shooting someone unjustifiably and attempting to murder them. A cop with a jumpy trigger finger and poor decision making under pressure does not justify firing 7 rounds. I've got a few friends that are in law enforcement, and a couple that are Chicago PD in the midst of all this bullshit. You might find their opinions interesting about this type of shit - what is a justified shooting, how they're trained, etc.

I really hope you aren't involved in law enforcement in any way, shape, or form. This isn't the wild west. You don't shoot first and ask questions later. This isn't a "let God sort them out" situation.

I've done a little research and there is conflicting reports on weather he was reaching for a knife in his car or not.

I'll type this very clearly for you as you don't seem to comprehend things well.......

The shooting is/was justifiable if he was reaching or going for a knife. Not 100% clear if that's the case.


So you have familiarity with law enforcement but take an issue with the "firing X rounds"?
Police officers are trained to fire center of mass and keep shooting until the threat is neutralized.
Its one of the first things that gets debunked in every BLM cause celebre, people will shout about how disproportionate it is that police fired X rounds instead of just shooting him once in the shoulder or judo chopping the guy's gun out of his hands
A cop should either be shooting to kill, or not at all. Their concern isn't about how whether its going to be an open casket or not, a single bullet wound can be just as deadly as 50.
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Aug 27 2020 12:36pm
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So you have familiarity with law enforcement but take an issue with the "firing X rounds"?
Police officers are trained to fire center of mass and keep shooting until the threat is neutralized.
Its one of the first things that gets debunked in every BLM cause celebre, people will shout about how disproportionate it is that police fired X rounds instead of just shooting him once in the shoulder or judo chopping the guy's gun out of his hands
A cop should either be shooting to kill, or not at all. Their concern isn't about how whether its going to be an open casket or not, a single bullet wound can be just as deadly as 50.


The specific rounds really isn't that much of a concern to me. Use of deadly force is the point here. Was it justified or was it not.

Cops didn't fire very well at center mass. He's alive if I remember correctly.

Makes me lead to believe it was more panic than a calculated decision.
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Aug 27 2020 02:00pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 27 2020 11:06am)
So you have familiarity with law enforcement but take an issue with the "firing X rounds"?
Police officers are trained to fire center of mass and keep shooting until the threat is neutralized.
Its one of the first things that gets debunked in every BLM cause celebre, people will shout about how disproportionate it is that police fired X rounds instead of just shooting him once in the shoulder or judo chopping the guy's gun out of his hands
A cop should either be shooting to kill, or not at all. Their concern isn't about how whether its going to be an open casket or not, a single bullet wound can be just as deadly as 50.



Then Americans should be shooting back to kill. Police are domestic terrorists.
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Aug 27 2020 02:05pm
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kyle-rittenhouse-shooting-kenosha-protest-suspect-arrested/

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The Anti-Defamation League, which tracks extremist activity, told CBS News there were militia members at the Kenosha protest but found no indication from Rittenhouse's social media footprint that he is connected to any extremist movements. His posts indicate he is extremely pro-police and appears to have been a former police explorer, a career-oriented program for youth considering a career in law enforcement. Many of his social media posts use the phrase, "Blue Lives Matter," according to the ADL.


https://twitter.com/AyannaPressley/status/1298780540431224832

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A 17 year old white supremacist domestic terrorist drove across state lines, armed with an AR 15.

He shot and killed 2 people who had assembled to affirm the value, dignity, and worth of Black lives.

Fix your damn headlines.


So the black radical congresswoman labels a moderate hispanic kid as a 'white supremacist' with no evidence.
Hey, this would be a great time for WaPo or the NYT to print one of their infamous "with no evidence" headline articles about her statement like they do about Trump every day when he actually has evidence
but naw
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Aug 27 2020 02:20pm
Quote (Goomshill @ 27 Aug 2020 16:05)
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kyle-rittenhouse-shooting-kenosha-protest-suspect-arrested/



https://twitter.com/AyannaPressley/status/1298780540431224832



So the black radical congresswoman labels a moderate hispanic kid as a 'white supremacist' with no evidence.
Hey, this would be a great time for WaPo or the NYT to print one of their infamous "with no evidence" headline articles about her statement like they do about Trump every day when he actually has evidence
but naw


lol hispanic kid shoots several cis white privileged lefty males in what so far video-evidence shows as possible self-defense, but this newly-formed swamp demon “ayanna ‘not elvis’ pressley” drags other races into it

i love the “across state lines” blanket statement with zero context (the towns are like a 15 min drive or so away there). as if most of the federal govt pre-covid didnt cross state lines multiple times a day during their work commute.
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Aug 27 2020 02:22pm
Quote (Goomshill @ Aug 27 2020 01:05pm)
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kyle-rittenhouse-shooting-kenosha-protest-suspect-arrested/



https://twitter.com/AyannaPressley/status/1298780540431224832



So the black radical congresswoman labels a moderate hispanic kid as a 'white supremacist' with no evidence.
Hey, this would be a great time for WaPo or the NYT to print one of their infamous "with no evidence" headline articles about her statement like they do about Trump every day when he actually has evidence
but naw


Pressley is wrong (and it irks me when people in power criticize individuals like that) but to characterize this kid as "moderate" is laughable. No "moderate" worships cops like that and joins a militia.
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Aug 27 2020 02:24pm
Kyle Rittenhouse

?? Hispanic

Not that it matters but why do you guys keep saying this lol.
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Aug 27 2020 02:29pm
Quote (Bazi @ Aug 27 2020 01:24pm)
Kyle Rittenhouse

?? Hispanic

Not that it matters but why do you guys keep saying this lol.


If you're an eighth or more of something, you can qualify as that characterization. He's at least an eighth Hispanic so that's where it comes from. In addition, I think this is more mocking the characterization that the kid is a "white supremacist." This is all just a really shitty situation. A lot of people were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
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