Joe Rogan is a dickish, right-leaning dudebro. Ben Shapiro is alt-right adjacent and repeatedly parrots alt-right talking points. Even going so far as to engage in antisemitic conspiracies about 'the bad Jews'.

Fucking nuance is lost on you huh beo?

I like both Joe Rohan and Ben Shapiro
Both good speakers

Joe Rogan is to the left of me 65% of any given week and Shapiro is a conservative jew, not alt right adjacent not kinda alt right a straight up snowflake conservative jew that gets shit on for being a jew constantly he doesn't want shit to do with the type of people you label him as

neither of them are a problem or a threat they are decent people with opinions and generally they both conduct themselves with integrity. I disagree with both often and Shapiro most of the time but he's not a problem and he isn't a bad person




scared of white wimps in masks? what they gonna do? gang beat a liberal native for not calling everyone a nazi? bring it

Shapiro is unmitigated garbage. Why anyone takes him seriously is beyond me but I guess there are a lot of really fucking stupid people out there. After all the average person is pretty fucking dumb and half of everyone else is dumber than that.
Joe Rogan can barely get out a sentence he's so fucking high all the time. He's a druggie burnout conspiracy nut. But he does have some very interesting people on his show.

When you engage in public discourse as a participant you are taking your safety into your own hands.

There are no safe spaces.

I want to know where the sense of entitlement came from where these people believe they came go and public and say what they want about anybody with impunity. Nobody in the history of the world has been able to do this and this is an artificial idea not grounded in reality. This isn't a speech issue either because we aren't talking about state censorship, we are talking about human conflict which is the driver of civilization in the first place.

Better get some backup. Ever see the squad that Martin Luther king traveled with? They were an armed gang ready for the beef.

Getting mad at me about this statement is just shooting the messenger.

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See? This is the level you've descended to now in your dogged determination to never admit you could be wrong about something and you're dogmatic adherence to the 'both sides' centrist philosophy.

I've demonstrated how these groups are more dangerous than antifa.
I've given ample justification for their assault on Andy Ngo even if I still think it was inadvisable because of bad optics... but when your safety is threatened optics might not be the first thing you care about.
Still you stick to defending Proud Boys and Patriot Prayer by characterising them as merely 'conservatives'.

I bet you believe the concrete milkshake story too huh?

Centrists are so susceptible to propaganda because they're desperate to believe the dumb 'both sides' narrative. Equivocating between antifa and groups that commit actual murders against people based on sexuality and religion is the dumbest fucking thing ever.
Yes there are some dumb antifa kids out there who pick fights with the far right because they just wanna punch a nazi - but they are the vast minority. EVERYBODY in the Proud Boys signed up to that organisation to do violence. It's their fucking initiation ritual.

You're being blatantly intellectually dishonest right now. I dunno if you'll be able to see it once you've taken a step back, calmed down and looked over the situation for yourself but I hope so. Cos I believe you ARE a liberal and if you truly knew what these groups were about you;d be taking a very different line of discussion right now.

MLK was a domestic terrorist, soyboy cuck. There is no place for violence in political discourse and he should have just stayed at home and not gone to demonstrations against white supremacists because that just escalates things. Honestly he was just looking for fights... How do we even know that they were white supremacists anyway? According to MLK the whole country was racist. I guess EVERYBODY back then was a jackboot wearing nazi. Fucking SJWs man... I stand for LOGIC and REASON.

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I'm taking this stand because I am a liberal. One that disavows violence outside of defense which this case does not qualify for and one that is very important to me which is enforcement and abuse of power and what your group is doing is contributing to a series of steps that leads to abuse of power and people by authorities. At this current time society is changing on police enforcement. It's less acceptable for power to harm right now something I have waited for most of my life and here are punk groups putting that at risk. How? People do not like your group they see you as trouble making violent thugs and what that does is create support for the authorities to do something about it and when you punks kill someone or put them in a wheelchair these authorities will be unleashed and we take a step back in the progress we have made with police abuse and harsh enforcement

Black and brown people have been subjected to harsh enforcement for a very long time. Our men fill the prisons our boys harassed our sentences harsher. In the recent years there has been change, less of this abuse is seen as acceptable by more people. Groups like yours full of white people come in screaming about genocide and massacres and abuse. Our people faced this by the government they were given awards for the harsh treatment even for the massacres and now here you are egging everyone on giving the authorities a reason to get harsh again on the streets because the public wants your group taken out. We do not need more cops with itchy trigger fingers we do not need more of the public excited to see harsh enforcement. Your group is a problem not a solution. We already have Trump running his mouth all the time about wanting the police to be tougher we don't need you giving them an excuse which is what you are doing.

Cops will never be your friend. The government doesn't give a shit about natives and neither do the people. The only people who will stand up and fight for you when the fash comes to fuck you up are the antifascists. That's it.

e/ though you might just get off by dint of being basically irrelevant. Even the fash don't really give a shit about natives any more.

ee/ but if the fash do come to town you can bet they will be flanked by police who will escort them through your neighbourhood to shout about how you should all be exterminated. Like they do every fucking time.

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