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Oct 7 2014 10:10am
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Or you could read what he actually said instead of judging him based on the title of the article which is extreme paraphrasing.

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You've said that before and forgive me if you've explained why in this thread (haven't read it all), but why do you hate him? He's contributed a lot to his field and has done a lot of good at popularizing science with his books/discussions/lectures.


He's contributed next to nothing in the field of physics and the majority of his contributions to the world have been pseudo-intellectual attack books on religion, and his "Universe from Nothing" hypothesis which is hilariously a philosophical theory based in science (which has almost no support from other physicists by the way).

He wrote a few articles on dark energy. Wow what a scientific powerhouse.

Here's some idiotic statements from the article above:

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"science progresses and philosophy doesn't."


Which is evident in the wild progress featured in nearly every area of philosophy (not to mention,the progress from philosophy to science, thanks philosophers!)

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" Every time there's a leap in physics, it encroaches on these areas that philosophers have carefully sequestered away to themselves, and so then you have this natural resentment on the part of philosophers"


Many if not most contemporary philosophers are scientific-minded and want nothing more than for philosophy to be superseded by science.

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" I think of the interesting work in philosophy as being subsumed by other disciplines like history, literature, and to some extent political science insofar as ethics can be said to fall under that heading."


So, not at all.

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"Sure, but the difference is that scientists are really happy when they get it wrong, because it means that there's more to learn. "


You can see that Krauss is so bent on an "us vs. them" ideal in everything he does. He's generalizing that all philosophers are not even interested in the truth...

What a cockhead.



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" To me what philosophy does best is reflect on knowledge that's generated in other areas. "


Finally a good statement! I agree completely.

I fully expect science to eventually, if humans continue progressing, subsume all philosophical knowledge; this is a philosophical claim! And philosophy is required to guide us there.


If the "Four Horsemen of Atheism" could just become the two horsemen with Harris and Dawkins I think they'd be a lot more effective ;)

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Oct 7 2014 10:11am
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I read the article and the guy seems to use a lot of poetry and analogies..  If he studied philosophy more maybe he would have more cogent arguments.

He isn't as bad as Dawkins.  I like Krauss, he is just very pompous and talks outside of his experience a lot.


Krauss and Dawkins both sound like angry children when they are discussing religion.
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Oct 7 2014 10:25am
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He's contributed next to nothing in the field of physics and the majority of his contributions to the world have been pseudo-intellectual attack books on religion, and his "Universe from Nothing" hypothesis which is hilariously a philosophical theory based in science (which has almost no support from other physicists by the way).

He wrote a few articles on dark energy. Wow what a scientific powerhouse.

Here's some idiotic statements from the article above:



Which is evident in the wild progress featured in nearly every area of philosophy (not to mention,the progress from philosophy to science, thanks philosophers!)



Many if not most contemporary philosophers are scientific-minded and want nothing more than for philosophy to be superseded by science.



So, not at all.


Lawrence Krauss is a scientific powerhouse..... over 200 publications and an impact factor over 40. Those are stats some scientists would kill for. "He wrote a few articles on dark energy" just shows you don't know the first thing about his work or its relevance.

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Oct 7 2014 10:31am
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If the "Four Horsemen of Atheism" could just become the two horsemen with Harris and Dawkins I think they'd be a lot more effective ;)


Hitchens was the best by leaps and bounds. I could watch him talk for hours, whether it was him talking about highly intellectual topics, or him insulting someone. Often he was at his best when blending the two obviously.
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Oct 7 2014 10:53am
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Krauss and Dawkins both sound like angry children when they are discussing religion.


It's difficult not to become frustrated when faced with wilful ignorance on such a grand scale.
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Oct 7 2014 11:19am
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It's difficult not to become frustrated when faced with wilful ignorance on such a grand scale.


WLC and others do a pretty good job at ignoring the intellectual deficiencies of the atheists they debate and focusing on the issues. Perhaps humans knowing they are subject to a higher power gives them maturity and humility, something atheists seem to lack.
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Oct 7 2014 11:21am
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Hitchens was the best by leaps and bounds.  I could watch him talk for hours, whether it was him talking about highly intellectual topics, or him insulting someone.  Often he was at his best when blending the two obviously.


Oh yea for some reason I thought Krauss was one of them. Dennett is the worst by far.

Hitchens had the luxury of being an incredibly good speaker with a large vocabulary and being British, so even if what he said wasn't smart it sounded smart. It was usually smart, though.

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Lawrence Krauss is a scientific powerhouse..... over 200 publications and an impact factor over 40.  Those are stats some scientists would kill for.  "He wrote a few articles on dark energy" just shows you don't know the first thing about his work or its relevance.


He obviously wasn't completely useless, but just compare to Feynman:

http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22Lawrence+Krauss%22&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C36
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22Richard+Feynman%22&btnG=&hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C36

Krauss's most cited article with just over 500 citations, Feynman at over 9,700 (and oodles of articles more cited than Krauss's most cited).

Obviously it's not a really fair comparison, but Krauss isn't all that important. To call him an intellectual powerhouse is a massive overstatement.
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Oct 7 2014 11:22am
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WLC and others do a pretty good job at ignoring the intellectual deficiencies of the atheists they debate and focusing on the issues.  Perhaps humans knowing they are subject to a higher power gives them maturity and humility, something atheists seem to lack.


Well that's straight up bullshit as has been proven several times in this very thread. WLC just talks a constant stream of suppositionalist bullshit and often resorts to straight up fabrications.

But you keep on trying to troll.
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Oct 7 2014 11:25am
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Well that's straight up bullshit as has been proven several times in this very thread. WLC just talks a constant stream of suppositionalist bullshit and often resorts to straight up fabrications.

But you keep on trying to troll.


Simply not true. WLC is always tempered in his debates, even when atheist scum start acting like children. It's a quality only men of God can develop.
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Oct 7 2014 11:26am
Ok let's chill out kiddies and stop attacking each other.
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