I believe him!
u know why?
cuz i wanna believe him!

sound familiar to you?

no

If God gives you evidence that He is God, what will you do?

Will you consider these teachings from the beatitudes, and assimilate them into your life? Would would you repent and follow Jesus? Will you see the wonderful love of God in Christ Jesus our Lord and beloved Savior, the Son of God who died for the Father, so that we could be saved?

Matthew 5:3-12
King James Version
3 Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
6 Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.
7 Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy.
8 Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God.
9 Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.
10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
11 Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
12 Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

Matthew 5:44
King James Version
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

Mark 11:25
And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses.

Ephesians 4:32
And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

Matthew 6:15
But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

What claim have i have made that requires proof? Can you quote it in full within the context. If you cant then you are clearly putting words in my mouth and resorting to bad faith arguments to try and deflect from providing proof.

The feeble attempts that you think you've made to explain away the contradictions have all been debunked. You just want someone to understand the bible in only your particular way. Too bad there are many interpretations even among the christians themselves and if you cannot have a unified agreed upon interpretation then clearly there is a right and wrong way. Which means you have to accept that you are possibly wrong about it.

One will always be on you. It is only after my own way and start affirming 100% this or that happened then I will be forced to provide proof. Until then stop dodging and provide us that photo of jesus.

Paul was a persecutor of Christians before he encountered Jesus the Son of God on the road to Damascus, then converting to faith in Jesus, being baptized and receiving the Holy Spirit of God, who then goes on to do amazing service for God and His people, spreading the message of the Gospel of Jesus Christ with signs, wonders, and miracles which God performed through him.


Sir, you are asking for evidence (which is everywhere).

I am asking you what will you do when you have the evidence, when you witness the miraculous of God before your own eyes? Since you are asking for proof, I'm asking you why do you need it? Jesus teaches us to do good, seek good, and walk in righteousness, declaring His praises because He is worthy.

What will you do when you have proof?

Why not see and seek God through faith, and discover His goodness?

What are your intentions for seeking evidence?

Proof is proof if there is overwhelming proof I don't see a point of denying it. If god came up to me shook my hand performed one of his magic tricks I would believe him. I would have to check to make sure he isnt hiding the rabbit under the table ofc. Then I would have no choice but to believe in him.

Thats how it works.

No evidence = no god



The bible telling you it happened is about as credible as Harry Potter telling you it happened. Do you know what proof means?

If evidence is everywhere name one thing that is evidence of god and prove it. Because saying something is evident without demonstrating how it is evident is not proof. It is speculation.

Explain it a bit more? You quite literally said in this post that you wanted a short hand version.

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=107619089&f=119&p=681787020

You also said here that you don't want diagrams.

https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=107619089&f=119&p=681839851

I gave you the most simple explanation as per your request. You were given everything you needed and yes this was my research, even though I am aware that your original post was not your own argument.

I even explained how the Jews were very particular about their Genealogies. You are not going to receive any more of a cleaner explanation than what was already presented. I am not responsible for how you choose to react. All I can say is that you have no excuse on that day.

Yes whats the problem? I explained that I have only so much time to read and respond to everyone here, i have work and life outside of jsp. A reasonable request
After the summery you provided which was helpful I asked a couple of follow up questions. I briefly looked through the diagrams which are very confusing even you admit its difficult to explain.

So I just asked you to clarify at how you arrived at Helli and Jacob being brothers since you claim it was through levirate marriage. Does it say somewhere that Heli and Jacob were brothers or did you just conveniently assumed they were in order to make your elaborate explanation to work?

#22 – How Many Times Will the Rooster Crow Before Peter Denies Jesus?
A subtle and funny contradiction emerges in the accounts of Peter’s denial of Jesus and the role of the rooster’s crowing.

In Mark 14:30, Jesus predicts: “Truly I tell you, today – yes, tonight – before the rooster crows twice you yourself will disown me three times.” True to the prediction, Mark’s Gospel records the rooster crowing twice as Peter denies Jesus three times (Mark 14:68, 72).

In contrast, the other Gospels — Matthew (26:34), Luke (22:34), and John (13:38) — simplify the prediction, stating that Peter will deny Jesus three times before the rooster crows, with no mention of a second crowing.

Jesus' birth stories in Matthew and Luke contain several examples of the contradictions in the Bible that scholars have noted since the work of Enlightenment thinkers in the 18th century. Let’s take a look!

#23 – The Hometown of Mary and Joseph
In Matthew’s Gospel, the hometown of Mary and Joseph is implied to be Bethlehem. The narrative begins with Jesus’ birth in Bethlehem and continues with the family fleeing to Egypt to escape Herod’s massacre (Matthew 2:1-15). Only later, after returning from Egypt, do they settle in Nazareth, presented as a new location chosen to avoid Herod’s successor (Matthew 2:22-23).

Luke, however, explicitly states that Mary and Joseph were living in Nazareth before Jesus’ birth. The couple travels to Bethlehem for a census, as Joseph is said to be of the house of David (Luke 2:4-5). After Jesus is born in Bethlehem, the family returns directly to Nazareth, with no mention of Egypt or Herod’s massacre (Luke 2:39-40).

#24 – Where Did the Family Go After Jesus’ Birth?
Another notable contradiction between Matthew and Luke concerns the family’s movements after Jesus was born. In Matthew, the Holy Family doesn’t return to Nazareth immediately. Instead, they flee to Egypt to escape King Herod’s order to kill all the male infants in Bethlehem.

In Luke’s Gospel, however, there is no mention of Herod’s massacre or a flight to Egypt. After Jesus is born, the family completes the required purification rites in Jerusalem (Luke 2:22-24) and then returns directly to their home in Nazareth.

you got to be chitting me? your objection is "no mention of second crowing" fukn eh your desperate king of the pedants

pizziss me off i even decided to read something of yours.

heres today scripture

Daniel 7:25 of the King James Version (KJV)
“And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear outthe saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time”.

This verse refers to a figure who opposes God and persecutes His people, indicating a time of tribulation for the saints.

you dont have anything your just trying to wear everyone out.
like leftie street frauds in the streets blowing on whistles to irritate everyone

This post was edited by TiStuff on Jan 22 2026 12:50am