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Quote (theCrossbones @ Mar 10 2021 11:56am)
So the latest stats are 35% of R believe in parts or all of Q theories. They have support in the Legislative branch of gov’t and an ex pres and most likely the next nominee that will cater to them to get votes
Have you ever looked at the list of things the GOP tries to “cancel” although I don’t like or agree with the SJW movement that is mostly left based to act like the R doesn’t do it is ridiculous. I don’t know that I agree with the R party is the party of the working class.
I still think getting ACA On the books was a net positive. Was it fault free hell no. The US for the last 30 years has let capitalism run almost unchecked. Look at tax brackets from the 50’s to now. There is no argument that we have reduced the burden on business. And we are supposed to believe just more free market will take care of the less fortunate? I believe in the concept of healthcare for all and taxing everyone to pay their fair share


Well said.
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Quote (theCrossbones @ Mar 9 2021 05:56pm)
So the latest stats are 35% of R believe in parts or all of Q theories. They have support in the Legislative branch of gov’t and an ex pres and most likely the next nominee that will cater to them to get votes
Have you ever looked at the list of things the GOP tries to “cancel” although I don’t like or agree with the SJW movement that is mostly left based to act like the R doesn’t do it is ridiculous. I don’t know that I agree with the R party is the party of the working class.
I still think getting ACA On the books was a net positive. Was it fault free hell no. The US for the last 30 years has let capitalism run almost unchecked. Look at tax brackets from the 50’s to now. There is no argument that we have reduced the burden on business. And we are supposed to believe just more free market will take care of the less fortunate? I believe in the concept of healthcare for all and taxing everyone to pay their fair share



Then you want a flat tax? The problem with the lefts ideology of taxing the rich is it never comes into play. It’s been a constant talking point to rally their base, but nothing has been done that I’ve seen to do away with loop holes in the system that allow the rich to pay pretty much nothing. As for R as the working class party that’s not true either, it’s just the left has pushed so far from the working class that it makes the R party doing nothing more acceptable. There’s faults in every system, the greatest fault in our system has been inflation vs min wage. That one party flat out ignores and the other doesn’t understand how to handle. Which I believe needs to stay in the power of the states and work from there based off of median income.

Yes, the gop isn’t without wrong with the cancel culture and they simply failed at it. I just can’t get pass the attack on my livelihood by Democrats and then the sjw pandering that has taken over the party. When in truth everyone has struggled and gone through their own trials in life.
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Then you want a flat tax? The problem with the lefts ideology of taxing the rich is it never comes into play. It’s been a constant talking point to rally their base, but nothing has been done that I’ve seen to do away with loop holes in the system that allow the rich to pay pretty much nothing. As for R as the working class party that’s not true either, it’s just the left has pushed so far from the working class that it makes the R party doing nothing more acceptable. There’s faults in every system, the greatest fault in our system has been inflation vs min wage. That one party flat out ignores and the other doesn’t understand how to handle. Which I believe needs to stay in the power of the states and work from there based off of median income.

Yes, the gop isn’t without wrong with the cancel culture and they simply failed at it. I just can’t get pass the attack on my livelihood by Democrats and then the sjw pandering that has taken over the party. When in truth everyone has struggled and gone through their own trials in life.

Because america is an oligarchy and voting does not matter, its the largest problem and it goes completely ignored, here in australia corruption is rife in both major parties and everyone is fighting over dumb identity politics while the rich gouge us hand over fist.
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Quote (fender @ 10 Mar 2021 01:10)
wrong on both accounts. regarding boebert: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jackbrewster/2020/11/04/congress-will-get-its-second-qanon-supporter-as-boebert-wins-colorado-house-seat/

concerning your lazy dodge: all the things i mentioned are FACTS. there are PLENTY of republican members of congress who sympathised with qanon conspiracies. cruz and others HAVE refused to certify the elections, they DID peddle racist lies about the stimulus, and trump's qtards DO represent a considerable portion of republicans (hence the pandering) and have significant influence on the party, if you want to admit it or not - and they reject the kind of old school republicans that you dishonestly pretend are the overwhelming majority, lol.


According to your own source - as well as, e.g., https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/jan/15/fact-checking-newcomer-lauren-boebert-after-trump-/ - Boebert once expressed tacit and conditional support for the conservative princinples behind the movement as she understood it at the time ("everything that I've heard of Q..."), and explicitly and unequivocally distanced herself from the movement a couple of months later, after she had informed herself on Qanon ("I’m not a follower of QAnon.").

Until evidence to the contrary pops up, I see no reason why she shouldnt deserve the benefit of the doubt and her stance on the issue be assumed to be represented by her more recent, distancing statement.




Another point to keep in mind: Lauren Boebert is a complete political rookie and coming from a working-class background. She is clearly very unpolished and not equipped with the funds to have been employing a large and professional staff since the onset of her campaign. Particularly since her chances of ousting the R incumbent in her district during the primaries were considered exceedingly low. It was during this time when she was still a quirky nobody running a hopeless primary challenge that the interview took place in which she expressed some support for Qanon. Do we really expect ordinary citizens with little political experience and almost no funding to know every fringe movement in and out? Having expressed conditional (sic!) support based on her limited knowledge at the time imho is a very forgivable mistake/oversight.

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Quote (Landmine @ Mar 9 2021 05:13pm)
Then you want a flat tax? The problem with the lefts ideology of taxing the rich is it never comes into play. It’s been a constant talking point to rally their base, but nothing has been done that I’ve seen to do away with loop holes in the system that allow the rich to pay pretty much nothing. As for R as the working class party that’s not true either, it’s just the left has pushed so far from the working class that it makes the R party doing nothing more acceptable. There’s faults in every system, the greatest fault in our system has been inflation vs min wage. That one party flat out ignores and the other doesn’t understand how to handle. Which I believe needs to stay in the power of the states and work from there based off of median income.

Yes, the gop isn’t without wrong with the cancel culture and they simply failed at it. I just can’t get pass the attack on my livelihood by Democrats and then the sjw pandering that has taken over the party. When in truth everyone has struggled and gone through their own trials in life.


I support a flat tax.. EXCEPT it sucks for small business start up.. Its hard when you cant deduct and get equipment and products to get started. If there was a plan with flat tax+start up plan.. count me in. After companies are established the tax burden would get accounted for like overhead. That % obviously never changes, and a financially successful setup will remain so.
R -- Think big business will fix our problems, ignore social issues in the name of $$
L-- think taxes will solve everything, over react on social issues in the name of "justice" (yes bs sometimes i get it)---- I'm still picking this side.

Both don't spend and manage the tax dollars well or are advocates of their actual voting base (BOTH are in it for dollars and job retention)
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 10 Mar 2021 02:48)
According to your own source - as well as, e.g., https://www.politifact.com/article/2021/jan/15/fact-checking-newcomer-lauren-boebert-after-trump-/ - Boebert once expressed tacit and conditional support for the conservative princinples behind the movement as she understood it at the time ("everything that I've heard of Q..."), and explicitly and unequivocally distanced herself from the movement a couple of months later, after she had informed herself on Qanon ("I’m not a follower of QAnon.").

Until evidence to the contrary pops up, I see no reason why she shouldnt deserve the benefit of the doubt and her stance on the issue be assumed to be represented by her more recent, distancing statement.




Another point to keep in mind: Lauren Boebert is a complete political rookie and coming from a working-class background. She is clearly very unpolished and not equipped with the funds to have been employing a large and professional staff since the onset of her campaign. Particularly since her chances of ousting the R incumbent in her district during the primaries were considered exceedingly low. It was during this time when she was still a quirky nobody running a hopeless primary challenge that the interview took place in which she expressed some support for Qanon. Do we really expect ordinary citizens with little political experience and almost no funding to know every fringe movement in and out? Having expressed conditional (sic!) support based on her limited knowledge at the time imho is a very forgivable mistake/oversight.



oh yeah sure, the crazy gun and trump enthusiast and (covid) science denier, who shockingly won her primary by painting her opponent as insufficiently supportive of trump, and explicitly expressed sympathies for the q conspiracy, stating she was "very familiar" with it, now claims she had NO idea what she was talking about, and you just buy that hook, line, and sinker. she ran on a pro trump platform for a seat in the fucking house of representatives, not for some rural church panel, and you want to tell me you believe she had no clue what q anon was about, acting like she's some gullible little housewife who simply doesn't know shit?
give me a break. who are you trying to fool here? me or yourself? reminds me of trump feigning ignorance in regards to who david duke is. very "believable", lol. it's amazing (but hardly surprising) what kind of people you tend to award the benefit of the doubt (which isn't even really there if you actually followed her admittedly short political career) to uphold your ridiculous narrative that q-anon is basically irrelevant in the GQP, when in reality it's a significant portion of representatives that sympathise or pander to that demographic - while old school republicans increasingly draw the ire of trump's rabid horde of braindead bigots...

pretty sure you've already forgotten about her tweets before and during the trump insurrection of january 6th, and her rejection of the vote based on nothing but conspiracies, huh? i haven't - those people are not just a fringe minority anymore - long established leading figures in the party like ted cruz have joined the crazy train, so you can whiteknight for that bitch all you want, and close your eyes to reality, but that doesn't change the FACTS.

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Does this history give anyone the right to politically destabilize a nation like the US which has enough nuclear weapons to destroy the planet? No. The game has changed. Read the room. We can no longer play these stupid games when you are risking a scenario where a madman gets a ton of nukes. Maybe you missed the memo but we developed NUCLEAR WEAPONS. We cannot play division politics. Stop it. Stop the race baiting, the nazi baiting, all of it. NOW.

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Quote (fender @ Mar 9 2021 06:21pm)
oh yeah sure, the crazy gun and trump enthusiast and (covid) science denier, who shockingly won her primary by painting her opponent as insufficiently supportive of trump, and explicitly expressed sympathies for the q conspiracy, stating she was "very familiar" with it, now claims she had NO idea what she was talking about, and you just buy that hook, line, and sinker. she ran on a pro trump platform for a seat in the fucking house of representatives, not for some rural church panel, and you want to tell me you believe she had no clue what q anon was about, acting like she's some gullible little housewife who simply doesn't know shit?
give me a break. who are you trying to fool here? me or yourself? reminds me of trump feigning ignorance in regards to who david duke is. very "believable", lol. it's amazing (but hardly surprising) what kind of people you tend to award the benefit of the doubt (which isn't even really there if you actually followed her admittedly short political career) to uphold your ridiculous narrative that q-anon is basically irrelevant in the GQP, when in reality it's a significant portion of representatives that sympathise or pander to that demographic - while old school republicans increasingly draw the ire of trump's rabid horde of braindead bigots...

pretty sure you've already forgotten about her tweets before and during the trump insurrection of january 6th, and her rejection of the vote based on nothing but conspiracies, huh? i haven't - those people are not just a fringe minority anymore - long established leading figures in the party like ted cruz have joined the crazy train, so you can whiteknight for that bitch all you want, and close your eyes to reality, but that doesn't change the FACTS.


anyone please explain a bigger cancel culture than his point here. 35% of R believe in some of this group.
the extremes of this "group" want to execute D because they drink blood of children
then add the actual white power peeps
then add the ultra nationals

what % are the L supposed to listen to as rational conservatives.. as everyone says the left is "extreme"
Who?
Mitch McConnel is now Center?
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Quote (theCrossbones @ 10 Mar 2021 04:01)
anyone please explain a bigger cancel culture than his point here. 35% of R believe in some of this group.
the extremes of this "group" want to execute D because they drink blood of children
then add the actual white power peeps
then add the ultra nationals

what % are the L supposed to listen to as rational conservatives.. as everyone says the left is "extreme"
Who?
Mitch McConnel is now Center?


orange man red party bad :rolleyes:
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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Mar 9 2021 07:05pm)
orange man red party bad :rolleyes:


who is a rational conservative party candidate?
and THIS is why its crazy for the FOX of the world to call Joe B. a radical socialist.. such bs

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