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Mar 9 2021 11:06am
this there is "only a small faction" of racist R wingers is equal to the L going there are "only a few SJW" on the left
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Mar 9 2021 11:11am
Quote (Kuggergug @ 9 Mar 2021 17:56)
Well there it is. He thinks he can make whatever bananas comment he wants and if people challenge him, he calls people racist. LOL.


there it is, the pearl clutching after being called out for making shitty excuses in order to avoid addressing the racists amongst right wingers in the US, lol. do you not know what an "ally" is, or did you just deliberately ignore that to justify the grabbing of your necklace to yourself?

it's funny how you people all basically have just one move: you try to distract with some moronic whataboutism (what about leftists? what about germany? what about history?) in order to avoid addressing the issue, and when someone points out how that is just making transparent excuses for your allies, you act all offended. "how dare you?" *gasp*

again, spare me the act, it's cheap and transparent and shameful. you're not fooling anyone...
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Mar 9 2021 11:15am
Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 9 2021 11:01am)
welcome to engaging with Fender. if u say something he doesnt like you're either a racist or if you're lucky just a racism apologist.

dude has zero other moves.


Super deft at framing, doe.
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Quote (Santara @ Mar 9 2021 11:15am)
Super deft at framing, doe.


deft, daft. same thing!
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Quote (theCrossbones @ Mar 9 2021 11:06am)
this there is "only a small faction" of racist R wingers is equal to the L going there are "only a few SJW" on the left


yeah, there arent a lot of super sjws by %. unless u live in portland and thats the group u mean.
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Quote (Santara @ 9 Mar 2021 18:15)
Super deft at framing, doe.


you seem a little upset, my friend - or just super eager for a little circle jerk with your little e-buddies, huh? anything in particular that beers... i mean bothers you?
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Mar 9 2021 11:21am
Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 9 2021 09:18am)
yeah, there arent a lot of super sjws by %. unless u live in portland and thats the group u mean.


tbh Portland might be on another planet
for lots of reasons
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Mar 9 2021 11:25am
Quote (thesnipa @ Mar 9 2021 10:52am)
this statement is internally contradicting itself. not all white supremecists are neo nazis, and not everyone at the rally was a neo nazi or white supremicist.
now i wouldnt argue that Trump wasn't dog whistling to his fragile whitey base, including KKK, nazis, and other white supremicists.
but there's difference between dog whistling, with a weak but legitimate out like Trump had, and blatant support of a hate group.
why people call a wink a nazi hand salute idk, it doesnt do anything for a conversation and diverts talks usually. source: this thread.
there were legitimately a lot of bland whiteys who attended, it was a "big event" so of course some will get caught up and show up just to see what the deal is. even if 7/10 attendees were KKK/Neo Nazis trump has that wink of an out.


My statement isn't contradictory. A neo-nazi rally is a white supremacist rally.

The first day was basically just neo-nazis. They marched through the street chanting. If somebody is going to march with neo-nazis, there are no fine people.

You can make an argument that the second day had "very fine people on both sides", but that comment wasn't made in isolation. It was made after 2 days of outright refusing to mention white supremacists, and making a false equivalence by saying "violence on many sides". If he had said on the first day "we hate white supremacists, and they are wrong, but there were normal people there on Saturday" then that would have been a good statement, but instead he waited two days and only then made a comment separating white supremacists, and then his "very fine people" comment was seen as a walking back of that condemnation.

When you look at the full context it's clear what his intention was with that comment. He definitely left himself some plausible deniability, but it's so thin that you have to be really trying your hardest to buy it lol. I'm more than comfortable calling Bogie's partisan BS out even if there is some thin amount of plausible deniability he's grasping onto.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Mar 9 2021 11:26am
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My statement isn't contradictory. A neo-nazi rally is a white supremacist rally.

The first day was basically just neo-nazis. They marched through the street chanting. If somebody is going to march with neo-nazis, there are no fine people.

You can make an argument that the second day had "very fine people on both sides", but that comment wasn't made in isolation. It was made after 2 days of outright refusing to mention white supremacists, and making a false equivalence by saying "violence on many sides". If he had said on the first day "we hate white supremacists, and they are wrong, but there were normal people there on Saturday" then that would have been a good statement, but instead he waited two days and only then made a comment separating white supremacists, and then his "very fine people" comment was seen as a walking back of that condemnation.

When you look at the full context it's clear what his intention was with that comment. He definitely left himself some plausible deniability, but it's so thin that you have to be really trying your hardest to buy it lol. I'm more than comfortable calling Bogie's partisan BS out even if there is some thin amount of plausible deniability he's grasping onto.


you're being selective in applying "both sides" to only neo nazi marchers, and counter protesters on the sidelines. when in reality there were neo nazis marching, left leaning and centrist objectors on the sidelines counter protesting, and right leaning and centrist people on the side lines there to either support or just observe the event.

"both sides" can mean marchers and non-marchers, putting neo nazis in an EXPLICIT category trump is praising. but that's just a tunnel vision interpretation, both in bias and in context. "both sides" can just as easily mean political leanings. and given that the "event" encompasses a whole lot more than just the march. in any case "it was explicitly a white supremicist event" is more correct than "it was explicitly a neo nazi event".

overall i see only stubbornness in needing trump to be explicitly supporting white supremecists, when dog whistling them so blatantly is more than bad enough. why you and others constantly feel the need to do this, at the cost of centrist support for your arguments, and just to argue with people on the right who excuse the dog whistling in any case, is beyond me and always has been. its just a fruitless endeavor that actually costs you fruit.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Mar 9 2021 11:38am
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