I agree. Dawkins lost.

worship le zeus instead? false dichotomy. synthetic electricity, angel of light.

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There are some religions out there who teach that there is no such thing as Hell. Some teach that hell is the only the grave. Some teach that hell is a place where souls are burned up in an instant. But that is not what the bible teaches. Today, I am going to demonstrate though the word of God that hell is a literal place of torment.

Where is hell?

Isa 14:15 Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

2Pe 2:4 For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

Hell is down. Most bible scholars believe that it is in the center of the earth.

Mt 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Jesus's body remained on the earth, but His Spirit went to the heart of the earth, or center. Where is the heart of something located? In the center.
What is Hell?

1Pe 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;

Hell is a prison.
It is a prison for those who have not accepted Jesus Christ as their Savior. Hell is no laughing matter. There is no party in hell.

Jude 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire. {strange: Gr. other}

Lu 16:20 And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, And desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man's table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us, that would come from thence. Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father's house: For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

First of all notice that this man was not happy. It says that he was tormented in this FLAME. Hell is fire. It is an eternal flame that never goes out.

Mr 9:3 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: {offend...: or, cause thee to offend} Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: {offend...: or, cause thee to offend} Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched. And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire: {offend...: or, cause thee to offend} Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

It says where their worm dieth not and the FIRE is NOT quenched. Hell is eternal torment by fire.
Hell is outer darkness. There is no light there. It is pitch black, forever.

Mt 8:11 And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Mt 22:13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Lu 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.
28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

Who goes to hell, and what is after hell?

Re 20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

One day after everyone has been judged, hell and death will be cast into the lake of fire.

Re 20:10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

The devil is going to be cast into the lake of fire. Notice that it is a place of torment and that torment never ends.

Re 14:11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

Those who reject Jesus Christ and accept the mark of the beast are going to the lake of fire.

Re 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Those who reject Jesus Christ won't be found written in the book of life. They also will be cast into the lake of fire.

There is only one way out. That way is Jesus Christ.

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
Who is God willing to save from hell and the lake of fire?

Ro 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

How do we do this?

Ro 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
Ro 10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

The bible says that whosoever believeth on Him shall NOT be ashamed. Are you willing to accept Jesus Christ today to be your Savior?

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

God is willing to save ANYONE no matter what you have done, if you will simply call upon upon Jesus Christ to save you. Will you do that today?

If you want to accept Jesus free gift of salvation, or if you have any doubts about whether or not you are going to heaven, you could place your faith in Jesus Christ for salvation by praying a simple prayer:

"Dear Lord Jesus I know that I am a sinner and need you to save me. I believe that You are the Lord and believe in my heart that You died on the Cross and Rose from the dead, shedding your blood as a Sacrifice for my sins. I turn to You as the only way of Salvation, I submit my life to you, I submit my will to yours, I place my Faith and Trust in You alone as Lord of my life, Please save me and I thank You for it, in Jesus holy name, Amen."


If you have placed your faith in Jesus Christ and meant it with all of your heart, you are now a child of God and will go to heaven. Now that you are on your way to heaven, you should attend a bible believing church and follow in baptism.

jews dont baptize

are they going to hell?

discuss

here is something very note worthy. how atheist 'science works


DNA and the junk DNA claim(skeptic mind at work again) and called proof of evolution. Completely and utterly destroyed by real science (encode project), there is zero junk DNA and the living cell is the most complex thing known to man, being light years ahead anything made by man. Sadly when this became known the so called skeptic (being already committed to his man made religion)hardly pausing to even consider what he was looking at, said: "macro evolution is true anyway"( this moment was the most embarrassing moment in the "goo to you" evolution history.

This evolution religion is pack full of stuff like this. A question to ask yourself.-- How long are you going to let them feed you this garbage?

Monkey to man evolution is just a religion made to cause people stray from the truth or allow them to have a excuse to ignore the truth. There is absolutely nothing in this religion that is scientific- observable testable,repeatable. And only exists it the imagination of man. And no matter the evidence against it it will never go away. It is a billion a year industry and financed and protected by the .Gov. If science was a dog this "monkey to man" stuff would be a tick on the dog, It is pseudo science, as anyone that truly investigates will find. I personally consider it to be on of the great deception's that was warned about by Jesus and full fills prophecy.

Matthew 24:24 "For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders,so as to mislead,if possible, even the very elect.
25 "behold, I have told you in advance.?

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Where is the note worthy part? You think any scientist would ever say or think like described in that quote?

"If we dont know what something does, we try to figure it out"

Thats what a scientist would say and think. God is not part of that thought process however as his existence is not a scientific question.

Also "atheist science" is not a thing. It doesnt exist. Atheists arent scientist.

DNA is not a claim, its a scientific fact. No one ever called anything proof for evolution. Evolution is still to this day called theory for a reason. It means that things point in its direction (very clearly), but it also means it is not a scientific fact.
Btw. Evolution plays not really a significant part in dna science. Someone using DNA samples to prove crimes could still be a creationist (although unlikely).

You still completely fail to understand the very concept of science and cant see the distinct differences between science and religion - otherwise you wouldnt call science a religion.

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John 20:19-31 NIV

Jesus Appears to His Disciples

On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said,
“Peace be with you!” After he said this, he showed them his hands and side. The disciples were overjoyed when they saw the Lord.
Again Jesus said, “Peace be with you! As the Father has sent me, I am sending you.” And with that he breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit.
If you forgive anyone’s sins, their sins are forgiven; if you do not forgive them, they are not forgiven.”

Jesus Appears to Thomas

Now Thomas (also known as Didymus), one of the Twelve, was not with the disciples when Jesus came. So the other disciples told him, “We have seen the Lord!”

But he said to them, “Unless I see the nail marks in his hands and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.”

A week later his disciples were in the house again, and Thomas was with them. Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, “Peace be with you!”
Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here; see my hands. Reach out your hand and put it into my side. Stop doubting and believe.”

Thomas said to him, “My Lord and my God!” Then Jesus told him, “Because you have seen me, you have believed;
blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.” The Purpose of John’s Gospel Jesus performed many other signs in the presence of his disciples, which are not recorded in this book.
But these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in his name.

Now the assumption of "Hasn't science disproved Christianity?" is there is science on one side and Christianity on the other side.
A 1v1 war and science has been getting some big shots in lately and the killing blow will be here soon. That is the assumption, there is no inbetween.

The assumption is, if you are a scientist then you cannot be religious. However there are countless examples where this is proven to be untrue.

Francis Collins is an American physician-geneticist noted for his discoveries of disease genes and his leadership of the Human Genome Project.

Francis Collins is also a Christian.
Francis Bacon is another example of someone who is a scientist and also a Christian.
Want another well known scientist? How about Isaac Newton? There is another scientist who was also a Christian.

Psalm 19:1-2 NIV

1 The heavens declare the glory of God;
the skies proclaim the work of his hands.
2 Day after day they pour forth speech;
night after night they reveal knowledge.

Now what do all of these named scientists have in common? Their passion for science started with their belief in the scriptures! Their religion drove their passion for science. It isn't a case of they had their
main science as their driving force and religion was driving up along side them.

There is another thing that has to be considered and that is the very little detail in the Universe that actually helps support life. Think of it as the Goldilocks Universe. This is too hot, this is too cold but
this is just right. All the Galaxies and their distances away from the Earth, the distance from the Earth to the sun, the moons distance from the Earth. All this along with so many other micromanaged distances,
all this makes life on Earth sustainable. If just one of those measurements were slightly adjusted then there would be no life possible for Earth.

Even one of the Gospel writers were scientists back then. The book of Luke, the writer himself was a doctor. As a scientist does, Luke carefully investigates from several hundred eye witnesses to bring
up an accurate account. That is what scientists do if they aren't present at the event.

Richard Dawkins is a scientist but he is also an atheist. He has this assumption that you cannot be a scientist and also a Christian. Richard Dawkins once said these words:

"Dawkins said it was his gut feeling that there been another stroke of luck that would have developed life elsewhere in the universe.

There are billions and billions of planets out there, so there could be millions of planets that have life on them, but the origin of life could still be a staggeringly good stroke of luck," he said.

Now do you see what he has just said? He has a gut feeling that there may be life in another world. he is going about that on blind faith. He is believing without actually seeing.
I thought that Atheists had to see to believe but here is Richard Dawkins who believes in life on other planets without any proof whatsoever. We have searched for life and found nothing yet he still believes.

Now THAT is what I call blind faith.

He also says that it is a staggeringly good stroke of luck and chance that we are here today and that life had ever formed in the first place. While that may be good and all, you need to go back to all the little detail
that seem fine tuned. Refer back to the Goldilocks Universe. Earth is the perfect distance away from the sun, not too hot and not too cold. The Earth is tilted on its axis JUST RIGHT. We have the JUST RIGHT
amount of minerals and water and food on this Earth to sustain life.

When you look at all of these kinds of things it looks as though it was fine tuned or micro managed. No amount of good luck could cause that to happen. That is why creation itself is evidence of God's existence. Astronomy
is a great place to start.

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Wide-eyed belief

Richard Dawkins once again mentioned a doubting Thomas in these words:

“Science is based upon verifiable evidence. Religious faith not only lacks evidence, its independence from evidence is its pride and joy, shouted from the rooftops. Why else would Christians wax critical of
doubting Thomas? The other apostles are held up to us as exemplars of virtue because faith was enough for them. Doubting Thomas, on the other hand, required evidence.
Perhaps he should be the patron saint of scientists.”

The thing that Richard Dawkins overlooked that this 'doubting Thomas' then believed when he saw the Messiah. Thomas received the evidence and he responded to the evidence granted to him. Richard Dawkins says that
Religious faith is a lack of evidence. The truth is, Richard Dawkins doesn't respond to the evidence given to not only him but to all of us.

When Thomas believed he became wide-eyed. His belief wasn't blind faith at all, it was wide-eyed. Many people view Christians as believing with blind faith. As in they cover their eyes to their peripheal
vision and stare a tunnel vision. They also wear blind folds and refuse to see anything else.

That could be further from the truth. Christians are not believing in blind faith, as a matter of fact they are wide-eyed with belief. They saw and RESPONDED to the evidence not because of tunnel vision but because of
wide-eyes on the lookout!

Romans 1:20 NIV

For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

Science and Religion do not clash because Science deals with the how, how do things happen and the way they happen. Whereas the Bible deals with why they happen in the first place.

Science cannot explain why you were made or what purpose you have.

Science is not philosophy. Science never asked those questions to begin with.

You can quote the bible as much as you want, but it doesnt help.

You are here in a Religious topic and yet you are surprised that the Bible is being quoted quite regularly?