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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Feb 12 2021 06:42am)
All interesting stuff, and I knew about some of it - but none of these experiments or studies proves your previous statement that conservatives are more driven by emotion than liberals. I dont deny that conservatives are driven more by feelings like disgust, and that they exhibit a stronger bias or hostility toward out-groups. They are clearly driven by different emotions than liberals. But again: this does not imply that they are more emotional than liberals. That's a significantly stronger, more far-reaching statement, and I want to see evidence before accepting it as a fact.


You should definitely read more on the subject. It's pretty interesting.

Another one that was fun was if you give conservatives and liberals a game where you wager, and it randomly assigns you a win or loss, but weight it so that you lose many more times than you win, conservatives will tend to play less and liberals will tend to play more. The reason is because liberals tended to play analytically and looked for patterns in bet amounts vs results, so they lost more than conservatives who just saw the losing pattern and stopped.

Conservatives have their place. They tend to limit losses and define boundaries. Liberals tend to explore and push boundaries. When things are functioning properly conservatives keep the liberals from jumping off a cliff as they explore. When things aren't functioning properly conservatives reinforce systems that don't work, and liberals jump head first off cliffs.

In America at least, we're basically stuck in a bunch of crap systems because we are pathologically prevented from exploring new ones even when the abundance of evidence shows they are better. You can say that liberals are jumping off the social cliff, but pushing boundaries is their function and it's been less than a decade since they got gay marriage legalized so it's less likely they're jumping off a cliff.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Feb 12 2021 08:02am
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Feb 12 2021 05:58am)
Yeah, it's kinda unfortunate. Like, young liberals can be smug, condescending, etc. but young conservatives are just nasty and generally much more malicious.

That's true of conservatives in general though. More emotionally motivated, especially by fear, anger and disgust. (This is what the science says, not my opinion) So that evolves as personal slights and malicious attacks on the out-group.


I would be shocked if you can find a study that concludes with the slant you presented here. The study authors often go so far as to state explicitly not to draw these sort of conclusions.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Feb 12 2021 07:25am)
I've posted the sources at least a dozen times and it's 6 a.m. here. I'll give you some brief descriptions.

Give a group of people political poll. Sort them on a spectrum of conservative to liberal. Show them pictures of nice things, show them pictures of bad things. Ask them to describe their responses. Conservatives have a stronger negative response to negative pictures, focused around fear, anger, and disgust. Repeat the experiment but with the participants hooked up to an FMRI and conservatives elicit more response in the amygdala, which deals with emotional memory and especially fear and disgust. Show pictures of immigrants and people in poor areas and the like, liberals register a stronger compassion and frontal lobe response, conservatives register a stronger disgust and amygdala response. Jury is still out on if it's an innate biological thing, where your genes influence the more active part of the brain, or if it's learned, or what age it's learned by if so. Response is very robust and has been repeated many times.

Sort people into groups, give them an arbitrary identifier. Ask them to assign others arbitrary scores. Conservatives have a stronger preference for others who have identifiers in common, even when they are arbitrarily assigned.

Now my favorite, because it was super relevant to Trump vs Obama. Show a conservatives somebody of the same race versus a different race. Both groups get the same vague statement. Conservatives tend to assign the same-race person more favorable interpretations of the same statement.

Anyway, there's a lot of literature on the subject and it's an interesting read. Conservative preference for in-group, stronger disgust and fear response, and more activity in the amygdala has been repeated many times.


Most racial / ethnic groups demonstrate significant and persistent in-group bias. It's healthy social behavior. White liberals are perhaps the only group that appear to demonstrate an out-group preference. I won't say that it's unhealthy per say, but it's certainly something that's worth studying. It certainly seems to feed into the way that they look at the world as binary between oppressors (i.e. whites) and the oppressed. It is particularly evident in foreign affairs, where the need to apply a black and white moral frame leads to sympathy for terrorists and terroristic regimes (e.g. Iran).

Conservatives do appear to have a larger fear response. Liberals may deal better with uncertain situations. Conservatives are happier with large social circles. Liberals are less happy and prone to anxiety. These are limited conclusions, I would be very hesitant to draw anything more firm.

Quote (Thor123422 @ Feb 12 2021 09:00am)
You should definitely read more on the subject. It's pretty interesting.

Another one that was fun was if you give conservatives and liberals a game where you wager, and it randomly assigns you a win or loss, but weight it so that you lose many more times than you win, conservatives will tend to play less and liberals will tend to play more. The reason is because liberals tended to play analytically and looked for patterns in bet amounts vs results, so they lost more than conservatives who just saw the losing pattern and stopped.

Conservatives have their place. They tend to limit losses and define boundaries. Liberals tend to explore and push boundaries. When things are functioning properly conservatives keep the liberals from jumping off a cliff as they explore. When things aren't functioning properly conservatives reinforce systems that don't work, and liberals jump head first off cliffs.

In America at least, we're basically stuck in a bunch of crap systems because we are pathologically prevented from exploring new ones even when the abundance of evidence shows they are better. You can say that liberals are jumping off the social cliff, but pushing boundaries is their function and it's been less than a decade since they got gay marriage legalized so it's less likely they're jumping off a cliff.


It sounds like conservatives identified the correct pattern. The game is rigged.
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Quote (bogie160 @ Feb 12 2021 12:04pm)
I would be shocked if you can find a study that concludes with the slant you presented here. The study authors often go so far as to state explicitly not to draw these sort of conclusions.


The disclaimers are usually "we don't know if fearful people train their amygdala or if they are fearful because they have an overactive amygdala". How emotions influence which types of people is often the exact subject of the study lol

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Quote (bogie160 @ 12 Feb 2021 19:04)
I would be shocked if you can find a study that concludes with the slant you presented here. The study authors often go so far as to state explicitly not to draw these sort of conclusions.

Most racial / ethnic groups demonstrate significant and persistent in-group bias. It's healthy social behavior. White liberals are perhaps the only group that appear to demonstrate an out-group preference. I won't say that it's unhealthy per say, but it's certainly something that's worth studying. It certainly seems to feed into the way that they look at the world as binary between oppressors (i.e. whites) and the oppressed. It is particularly evident in foreign affairs, where the need to apply a black and white moral frame leads to sympathy for terrorists and terroristic regimes (e.g. Iran).


Yup.





Quote (Thor123422 @ 12 Feb 2021 15:00)
You should definitely read more on the subject. It's pretty interesting.

Another one that was fun was if you give conservatives and liberals a game where you wager, and it randomly assigns you a win or loss, but weight it so that you lose many more times than you win, conservatives will tend to play less and liberals will tend to play more. The reason is because liberals tended to play analytically and looked for patterns in bet amounts vs results, so they lost more than conservatives who just saw the losing pattern and stopped.

Conservatives have their place. They tend to limit losses and define boundaries. Liberals tend to explore and push boundaries. When things are functioning properly conservatives keep the liberals from jumping off a cliff as they explore. When things aren't functioning properly conservatives reinforce systems that don't work, and liberals jump head first off cliffs.

In America at least, we're basically stuck in a bunch of crap systems because we are pathologically prevented from exploring new ones even when the abundance of evidence shows they are better. You can say that liberals are jumping off the social cliff, but pushing boundaries is their function and it's been less than a decade since they got gay marriage legalized so it's less likely they're jumping off a cliff.


The betting example is very interesting. Perhaps liberals have more trust in institutions and rules, or "the system" while conservatives tend to be more open toward a worldview of "it's a cold, cruel, unfair world out there and at the end of the day, everyone must take care of himself".

You still didnt provide any sources or evidence for your initial statement that "science says conservatives are more emotionally motivated (than liberals)" though. Again: conservatives are clearly reacting more strongly to particular emotions like fear or disgust, but I really doubt that "conservatives = emotional, liberals = rational" is a dichotomy which is backed up by science.
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Everyone knows Floyd died from drugs. Lol


Yeah... no.
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Quote (Santara @ Feb 12 2021 12:30pm)
Yeah... no.


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Quote (Black XistenZ @ Feb 12 2021 12:19pm)
The betting example is very interesting. Perhaps liberals have more trust in institutions and rules, or "the system" while conservatives tend to be more open toward a worldview of "it's a cold, cruel, unfair world out there and at the end of the day, everyone must take care of himself".

You still didnt provide any sources or evidence for your initial statement that "science says conservatives are more emotionally motivated (than liberals)" though. Again: conservatives are clearly reacting more strongly to particular emotions like fear or disgust, but I really doubt that "conservatives = emotional, liberals = rational" is a dichotomy which is backed up by science.


That's a silly interpretation of how one group would see a controlled experimental setting.

It mostly just comes from the understanding of what those areas of the brain do. Frontal lobe is for social function, critical thinking, planning, etc. Amygdala is emotional memory formation.

Another thing that supports it is that liberals are far more sensitive to cognitive dissonance. There was a study a while ago where conservatives could predict liberals positions, but liberals couldn't predict conservatives positions on a particular topic. The reason isn't because liberals don't understand conservatives, or vice versa. The reason is because liberals strive for internal consistency in a way that just doesn't exist in conservatives.

Anyway, there's a whole body of evidence around it. You won't find one paper that says "this dichotomy definitely exists" because it isn't a dichotomy. It's a spectrum. The more conservative you are the more you will tend to display these things, the more liberal you are the more you will tend to display the other.

Another thing to understand is that being "conservative" is the default. It's in the name. You conserve. You take the default stance. Until you question, you are conservative. So the "normal setting" being to have an in-group bias is expected.

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