I see nothing wrong with raising children in this location. If a parent wants to keep them secluded that's their right.

last time i checked catalonia was NOT independent. and let's not forget why those people are there in the first place: because their political leaders, that are not puppets of the central government, have been jailed for holding an independence referendum.

Very interesting!

My big takeaway is that these sentences, and the whole Catalonia issue in general, are successfully driving a wedge between the social democrats (PSOE) and the leftist party (UP). Also interesting to see that a clear majority of the conservative PP voters can live with these sentences.

What I also noticed is that PSOE and Cs are the closest on this issue. A lot of Spain's political troubles and failure to find a government would be solved if these two parties could come together and form a coalition.

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im just assuming there was some sexual nature to the confinement. otherwise the dad was just a whacko who believed in the 2012 end of days myth or something. what a fucking crazy story.

rural, ultra-conservative calvinist Dutchmen are crazy as fuck. they are demographically marginalized by the very progressive urban dwellers from the Randstad region ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randstad ) and therefore have little influence on the country's politics or imagine in the world as a liberal bastion. most international observers are surprised when they learn how fucking conservative and weird some parts of the Netherlands actually are.

i'm actually a bit conflicted. they lived on a small farm with only a garden and a goat. to someone who's into homesteading that's a monumental achievement. the work it takes to run a farm for a family that size without selling produce to other people is pretty insane. being that self sufficient takes a lot of planning. but the whole forced imprisonment thing is obviously the story here.

Exactly my thoughts, lol. Quite impressive despite being so sad at the same time.

I also find it hard to believe that they never saw any traces of human life when they were upstairs/outside to work in their garden. Did they never hear a car or truck or train? Did they never see contrails on the sky? How could they seriously believe that humanity had perished and they were the last survivors for 8 whole years?

yeah that part i dont get. unless it's extremely remote. even if it is remote still odd. i guess you can be pretty mentally fucked growing up in that type of situation tho. never went to school, never left home. maybe a contrail was just explained as a funny shaped cloud or something. maybe an interesting netflix documentary coming. would be nice to float those poor kids some money rather than releasing them into a world they're completely unprepared for.

You talk without understanding how things work. It doesn't matter if Catalonia isn't independent, the Spanish central government can't control the Mossos. The Catalan regional police is directly and exclusively under the orders of the separatist government. The only time the central government can chime in and send its police is if the Catalan government requests aid or if there is an order by the Supreme Court (which is what happened on the day of the referendum, as the Court ordered the central government to send police to stop the referendum from happening).

The truth is the Mossos have by far a much worse reputation here in Spain than the national police. They are the only police regional police force that has had to ban the use of rubber ball shotguns do to the trigger-happy record of its policemen. Although, tbf protests in Catalonia have always been more violent than in other parts of Spain... and I'm not talking about separatist protests; but also anti-austerity protests, or even every time Barça wins a title, there is a lot of street vandalism. It's perhaps part of the heritage of the historical anarchist movement that was really strong in Catalonia until Franco's dictatorship. Of course, the majority of protesters are always peaceful... it's usually the youth groups of the radical party CUP and their friends which cause turmoil and glorify antifa culture.



Yeah, it's a damn shame PSOE and C's didn't work things out. It's no surprise though, as C's had constantly insisted that they wouldn't negotiate anything with PSOE... which is the reason I stopped voting them... I don't care if C's negotiates with PSOE or PP, but they were supposed to be a moderate party aimed to bring stability and reforms to the government; not act like PP's stepping stone, antagonize a perfectly democratic party like PSOE and block the formation of a government. Now, many polls predict the downfall of C's... they could lose half of their seats, and it would be well deserved. I hope they get crap results and kick Rivera out, so we can have a true centrist party again.

sounds like you need some CPS in your life