Quote (WhiteSouned @ 3 Nov 2023 14:51)

Ohh no, no fuel , they said 3 days after the war started !! And Than the fuel is enough for a month now, it’s a miracle !
Oh no, no food , they said 3 days after the war started ! And Than the food was sufficient, no one is yet to die from starvation. It’s a miracle!
Oh no, no water, they said 3 days after the war started ! And Than the water was sufficient, no one is yet to die from thirst. It’s a miracle!
Oh no, no where to go, they said 3 days after the war started ! And Than they could flee to the south of Gaza Strip, which as Israel states is a safe zone. It’s a miracle!

According to your rhetorics we should have been in 20K death already.
Sit down and watch how a country is finally properly response to an unimaginable aggression.
Those which choose to stay in the war zone, did their math.

Quote (ferdia @ Nov 3 2023 01:55pm)

Gaza's Hamas-run health ministry says 9,061 people have been killed since 7 October, two-thirds of them women and children. congratulations, I guess you showed Fender. Were are the Palestinians meant to go ? south ? Israel already bombed the south.

18,000 tonnes of bombs have been dropped on Gaza now, which some sources are stating is 1.5 times more than bomb dropped on Hiroshima.

Quote (fender @ Nov 3 2023 01:37pm)

i'm talking about current death tolls, not final ones. if israel keeps up their current rate, by the time they will have eliminated 20-40k "fighters", it will likely be hundreds of thousands of civilian casualties - especially with the humanitarian crisis they created through starving and destroying the homes of half the population of gaza, exposing it to 24/7 terror through non-stop bombing, raids, and the lack of any true safe zones, repeatedly hitting evacuation routes, refugee camps, schools, and churches... not even allowing the already insufficient humanitarian aid that WOULD be available to reach those in need.

it's not just short-sighted and history-denying, it's obviously cruel and deliberate, has vengeance and lack of regard for innocent lives written all over it. again, people are finally waking up to what has been going on there for decades, and it's only a matter of time before israel loses its prerogative of interpretation over this conflict. the simplistic "civilised, peaceloving utopia vs. terrorist savages" image is slowly but surely crumbling as people learn more about the reality of israel's brutal occupation, the apartheid system it established, and the motivations of palestinian attackers.

and don't assume for a second i'm happy about it. innocent jews all over the world are the target of anti-semitic attacks, and that too will get worse with each bomb israel drops on palestinian children. dumb people, who can't distinguish between the state of israel and jewish people in general (many of which, particularly intellectuals, outspoken against israel's illegal occupation), will try to hurt them or make their lives a hell resembling that of palestinian civilians in gaza right now. this campaign makes no one safer, it's a gross miscalculation, like propping up hamas in the first place. it's insanity...

Quote (fender @ Nov 3 2023 04:05pm)

your complete indifference towards human suffering and dead children is already well established. no need to double and triple down on your silly excuses for the indiscriminate slaughtering of innocent civilians.

this is as much a "proper response" to an unimaginable aggression as the terror attacks of october 7th were a "proper response" to israel's unimaginable, decades long oppression. it's just bloodthirsty rhetoric defending the murder of innocent lives. you're deluding yourself if you think you're any better...

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 3 Nov 2023 15:00)

Would you accept living next to Hamas whilst under constant missile attack?

Quote (fender @ Nov 3 2023 02:17pm)

and would you accept living under an apartheid system, being unfree from birth, condemned to a life in destitution at the whim of an occupying force, experiencing daily discrimination and living in fear of losing your home, your life, or any of your loved ones every single day?

alway boggles my mind how one-sided some people still choose to portray this conflict. hamas missile or suicide attacks ARE a danger - even though the actual casualties they inflicted were incredibly low over the years - but to act like they just happen for no reason at all is just incredibly disingenuous.

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 3 Nov 2023 15:08)

Yet why does Hamas not surrender?

Hamas surrender, release hostages. No more civilians get caught in a warzone.

Quote (fender @ Nov 3 2023 02:32pm)

probably because it's unlikely that 40k people would collectively choose to be executed by israel for what they consider is fighting for their freedom?!

also, even if they did that, it wouldn't resolve the underlying issue. i mean sure, i'd love for hamas to just surrender and particularly to release all hostages, absolutely - but you know as well as me that it wouldn't end the illegal occupation of palestinians.

even if, against all expectation, not a single palestinian would attack israel again for years, despite all the suffering and all the injustices, netanyahu would start propping up radicals again until at least one does, and then the whole game starts again. don't fool yourself. israel's right-wingers don't want peace. their main goal is to prevent palestinian statehood and freedom at all costs - and they are willing to sacrifice their own citizens as well as their international reputation for it.

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ Nov 3 2023 11:37am)

But there you go again conflating two issues.
The longterm palestinian question and the immediate threat posed by Hamas.

Israel is not seeking to resolve the underlying issue in this moment. Neither are Hamas, and they never have neen.
Israel's war aims are to remove Hamas as a threat to its people and to free the 240 some hostages.