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Jan 13 2021 01:21pm
Quote (Surfpunk @ 13 Jan 2021 14:18)
So then the peaceful self-guided tours of the Capitol were condemnable events? You're gonna need to pick a position and stick with it.

think you missed the sarcasm which i alluded to in the prior post
Quote (excellence @ 13 Jan 2021 13:16)
apparently for local government officials, they didnt need federal troops for a mostly peaceful protest (using the swamp and media’s terminology here)
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Jan 13 2021 01:55pm
Quote (Surfpunk @ Jan 13 2021 01:17pm)
Imagine having an idea, and that idea was this.


:rolleyes:

Quote (Thor123422 @ Jan 13 2021 01:12pm)
The contention has never been that they aren't "mostly peaceful", the contention has been that the small percent that were violent should be given significant moral weight relative to the majority peaceful.


A) Did the good actors in the BLM context ever denounce/distanced themselves from the bad actors?

B ) Does this moral weight apply to american police force? Why ACAB but not `all protesters are bastards`?


You've got to take the bad actors with the good ones. If you don't agree with the bad ones, you denounce and distance yourself from them. Of course their actions (given the severity) are going to carry a greater weight than the charitable acts done by the good (majority) actors.

This post was edited by WiziLiCe on Jan 13 2021 01:56pm
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Jan 13 2021 01:58pm
Quote (WiziLiCe @ Jan 13 2021 01:55pm)
:rolleyes:

A) Did the good actors in the BLM context ever denounce/distanced themselves from the bad actors?

B) Does this moral weight apply to american police force? Why ACAB but not `all protesters are bastards`?

You've got to take the bad actors with the good ones. If you don't agree with the bad ones, you denounce and distance yourself from them. Of course their actions (given the severity) is going to carry a greater weight than the charitable acts done by the good (majority) actors.


A) Yes many times, and they were posted as they were happening so if you are ignorant of this it's just your own fault for not paying attention. Do some real looking.

B ) The reason is because people who say ACAB believe the way policing is currently done is bad at it's core, therefore all cops who participate in it are bad. There is no "good policing" to people who say ACAB, so you can't separate the police from the system. If you think all protesting is bad, then you could say APAB because they are bad by their nature of doing it.

This post was edited by Thor123422 on Jan 13 2021 01:58pm
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Jan 13 2021 02:14pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jan 13 2021 01:58pm)
A) Yes many times, and they were posted as they were happening so if you are ignorant of this it's just your own fault for not paying attention. Do some real looking.

B ) The reason is because people who say ACAB believe the way policing is currently done is bad at it's core, therefore all cops who participate in it are bad. There is no "good policing" to people who say ACAB, so you can't separate the police from the system. If you think all protesting is bad, then you could say APAB because they are bad by their nature of doing it.


A) I'll take the blame, this does not get posted enough in pard for me to notice. What gets posted in the other hand, is the constant justification for the bad actors. Even not-the-onion sources using the 'mostly peaceful' stance. In fact, don't I recall you taking the position (in relation to BLM protests) that `once the peaceful avenues had been exhausted, the violent ones were inevitable.` If it wasn't you / or I strawman you, I apologize. But I don't get how that stance isn't anything but a justification for the actions of the bad actors.

B ) I'd rather not! In any case i'll avoid taking any moral advice from 'ACAB' followers
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Jan 13 2021 02:40pm
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Jan 13 2021 02:49pm
Quote (WiziLiCe @ Jan 13 2021 02:14pm)
A) I'll take the blame, this does not get posted enough in pard for me to notice. What gets posted in the other hand, is the constant justification for the bad actors. Even not-the-onion sources using the 'mostly peaceful' stance. In fact, don't I recall you taking the position (in relation to BLM protests) that `once the peaceful avenues had been exhausted, the violent ones were inevitable.` If it wasn't you / or I strawman you, I apologize. But I don't get how that stance isn't anything but a justification for the actions of the bad actors.

B ) I'd rather not! In any case i'll avoid taking any moral advice from 'ACAB' followers


That was me. I was simply stating a fact. If people have real grievances and you ignore their peaceful protest expect civil unrest.
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Jan 13 2021 03:26pm
Quote (Mangix @ Jan 13 2021 10:02am)
The reasons people were attracted to a populist like trump and the reason people stormed the capitol are not the same reasons.

There were legitimate reasons, hundreds even, for people to seek populism, especially right wingers.

Mass misinformation, and false threats about what's at stake are what lead to Wednesday though. Not legitimate greivances. Spearheaded for two months straight by the boy in charge. Amplified by conversative talking heads and elected officials. Amplified by social media bubbles. Etc.



That’s your opinion and you’re entitled to it, of course. It’s not fact, though.

Have a nice day!
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Jan 13 2021 05:20pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Jan 13 2021 03:49pm)
That was me. I was simply stating a fact. If people have real grievances and you ignore their peaceful protest expect civil unrest.


:rolleyes:
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Jan 13 2021 05:35pm
Quote (EndlessSky @ 13 Jan 2021 18:20)
:rolleyes:

you can apply this to any situation where the govt fucks up people’s lives

but some instances of unrest is okay, the rest is called “insurrection” lmfao
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Jan 13 2021 06:06pm
Quote (excellence @ Jan 13 2021 06:35pm)
you can apply this to any situation where the govt fucks up people’s lives

but some instances of unrest is okay, the rest is called “insurrection” lmfao


COUP ATTEMPT

with a bunch of gun owners that didn't bring guns fucking LOL
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