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Oct 14 2019 03:10pm
Quote (zarkadon @ 14 Oct 2019 21:37)
Well, typical VOX voters are upset about its softness and the fact they haven't been charged with rebellion. The party's leader Santiago Abascal described the sentence as a "terrible mistake" and "a disgrace tailored to fit the soft taste of president Sánchez" which "brings shame to Spain and the Supreme Court".

Keep in mind that they were sentenced pretty much to the least amount of jail time possible:


Sedition prisoners are those who, without being included in the crime of rebellion, raise publicly and tumultuarially to prevent, by force or illegal means, the application of the Laws or any authority, official corporation or public official, the legitimate exercise of their functions or the fulfillment of their agreements, or of administrative or judicial resolutions.
Article 544

1. Those who have induced, sustained or directed the sedition or appear in it as their principal authors, shall be punished with the prison sentence of eight to ten years, and with that of ten to fifteen years, if they were persons constituted in authority. In both cases, absolute disqualification will also be imposed for the same time.
2. Aside of these cases, the penalty of four to eight years in prison and the special disqualification for employment or public office for a period of four to eight years will be imposed.


Basically, sedition is 8-10 years for normal people who engage in sedition, or 10-15 years if those people hold a position of authority in public office. And you have to add embezzlement to that too...

So really, it's a pretty benevolent sentence. The judge decided to not take into consideration other aggravating factors like the fact that all of the accused had previously been warned of the consequences of their actions before they carried them out.

Personally, idc, I let the judges do their thing, and the sentence is in the bracket for sedition, so I guess it's fine. These people knew what they were getting into and still did it anyway, breaking laws and wasting public funds, they now face the consequences. If they thought that they were above the law because of some hippy delusion, that is their problem... nobody is above the law, and encouraging the opposite idea is dangerous.


leaving out an important qualifier there: the least amount of jailtime possible after deciding to level such severe charges in the first place AND finding them guilty.

puts the whole 'this is actually a benevolent sentence' narrative into perspective.

also, remind me again, how many police officials were punished for their violence against peaceful citizens? what were their sentences again?


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Oct 14 2019 03:44pm
Quote (fender @ 14 Oct 2019 23:10)
leaving out an important qualifier there: the least amount of jailtime possible after deciding to level such severe charges in the first place AND finding them guilty.

puts the whole 'this is actually a benevolent sentence' narrative into perspective.

also, remind me again, how many police officials were punished for their violence against peaceful citizens? what were their sentences again?

https://i.imgur.com/o6gSDl3.png


Well, the actions the accused separatists carried out fit the definition of sedition. Hard to not find them guilty considering that. They were also warned of all the possible consequences before hand too. Keep in mind that the sentence has been a unanimous verdict by the court.

As for the police officials... there is a separate case going on investigating that. The process started almost a year and a half after the one regarding the separatist leaders, so we probably won't have a verdict until 2020 or 2021.
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Oct 15 2019 01:47am
and they're at it again. thugs in uniform:





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That's the catalan regional police btw. Sent by the separatist government... which is fine with protests... so long as they don't ruin the business days of big corporations :LOL:

The protestors are calling out their government as hypocrites who thank the people for going to demonstrations while at the same time sending the mossos (catalan police force) to restore order.
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Oct 15 2019 04:49am
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 14 Oct 2019 19:33)
Is there actually public support in the rest of Spain (outside of Catalonia) for such draconian sentences? Would they really support jailing these people for a decade or more?


To further answer this question, the first poll conducted by a valid source came out. It doesn't divide the feelings of people by region, but rather by voters of different parties. Perhaps they'll provide other date in the upcoming days, but this is it for now:

What do you think of the sentence?



What do you think of the sentence?

Red: the sentence is too soft; it should have been stricter.
Green/Blue: The sentence is fine.
Purple: The sentence is excessive; it should have been less.
Yellow: The sentence is excessive; they should have been freed.



What should the government do now?



What should the government do now?

Red: Appeal, and ask for a stricter sentence.
Green/Blue: Respect and guarantee the enforcement of the sentence.
Yellow: Grant an official pardon to all the people involved.

Source: https://bit.ly/2IPUltO




So, as you see, the majority of people are happy with the sentence, with mostly just the alt-right (VOX), the green-left (Más País), the alt-left (UP) and the "other" voters being unhappy (albeit for different reasons). The "other" mostly refers to regionalist/nationalis/separatist parties, which includes the catalan ones which are obviously against the whole judiciary process... the "other" voters that support the court's decision are likely regionalist party voters from other places that are tired of the lack of loyalty of the catalan parties and are upset about how those parties always manage to use their presence in parliament to get benefits for Catalonia while their smaller regions are "abandoned".

All this is just an initial reaction, as the sentence came out yesterday... but it does give a good indication on where each party's sentiment is more or less at.

What's interesting is how the alt-left and the alt-right agree on something: they don't want a true separation of powers, and they want the judges to carry out their agenda.
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Oct 15 2019 05:08am
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In a remote farm at the Buitenhuizerweg near Ruinerwold a father and his six children have been discovered, who have been living for years in the basement of the farm. They were waiting for the "end of time". The police tweeted that the owner of the house is a 58 year old man and that they found six adults. The oldest son, a 25 year old man, left the farm yesterday and entered a bar in Ruinerwold, the bar owner explained to RTV Drenthe. The man was confused, after which the police was called and the mayor was warned. According to the bar owner the man explained he hadn't been outside for nine years. "He admitted he escaped and that he needed help. He had long hair, a dirty beard, wore old clothes and had a bewildered look in his eyes. He said he had never been to school and hadn't been to the hairdresser for nine years."

The police searched the farm and discovered stairs to the basement behind a cupboard in the living room. That's where the father and five other children lived. The father appeared to have suffered a stroke some years ago and was abed. The children are between 16 and 25 years old and the family had no contact with the outside world. They lived a completely self-supporting life, had a vegetable garden and a goat and used that to keep themselves fed. The neighbours didn't know the family. According to one of the neighbours a man lived there, alone, and he had boarded up the entire farm. There were some geese and a barking dog on the premises.

The police has removed the family from the house and placed them in a vacation home, whilst the farm is being checked for fire safety and other hazards. The children apparently were unaware that there were any other people in the world anymore. It is unknown where the mother is. There is a possiblity that she's buried on the farm. Further investigation is still ongoing.



Most wtf Dutch story of the year me thinks.

@Skinned: What a case this would be to work on as a therapist/social worker.
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Oct 15 2019 05:19am
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https://nos.nl/artikel/2306196-vader-zit-met-kinderen-jaren-in-kelder-ruinerwold-wachtend-op-einde-der-tijden.html



Most wtf Dutch story of the year me thinks.

@Skinned: What a case this would be to work on as a therapist/social worker.


Big government interferring with a man raising his family how he sees fit
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Oct 15 2019 05:26am
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https://nos.nl/artikel/2306196-vader-zit-met-kinderen-jaren-in-kelder-ruinerwold-wachtend-op-einde-der-tijden.html



Most wtf Dutch story of the year me thinks.

@Skinned: What a case this would be to work on as a therapist/social worker.


That is bizarre. Would be a treat to work on the case and get to know the people. I'm sure this is going on in multiple places in Ohio as well.

Completely rooted in one man's insanity lol. Definitely a head scratcher.
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Oct 15 2019 05:51am
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https://nos.nl/artikel/2306196-vader-zit-met-kinderen-jaren-in-kelder-ruinerwold-wachtend-op-einde-der-tijden.html



Most wtf Dutch story of the year me thinks.

@Skinned: What a case this would be to work on as a therapist/social worker.


lolwat

The disturbing thing is that this is probably more common than what we imagine. Every now and then a weird story of a family being kept hostage in a basement by a religious fanatic or messed up psycho pops up, somewhere in the world.
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Oct 15 2019 06:00am


A drone photo of the farm.
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