i'm talking about current death tolls, not final ones. if israel keeps up their current rate, by the time they will have eliminated 20-40k "fighters", it will likely be hundreds of thousands of civilian casualties - especially with the humanitarian crisis they created through starving and destroying the homes of half the population of gaza, exposing it to 24/7 terror through non-stop bombing, raids, and the lack of any true safe zones, repeatedly hitting evacuation routes, refugee camps, schools, and churches... not even allowing the already insufficient humanitarian aid that WOULD be available to reach those in need.

it's not just short-sighted and history-denying, it's obviously cruel and deliberate, has vengeance and lack of regard for innocent lives written all over it. again, people are finally waking up to what has been going on there for decades, and it's only a matter of time before israel loses its prerogative of interpretation over this conflict. the simplistic "civilised, peaceloving utopia vs. terrorist savages" image is slowly but surely crumbling as people learn more about the reality of israel's brutal occupation, the apartheid system it established, and the motivations of palestinian attackers.

and don't assume for a second i'm happy about it. innocent jews all over the world are the target of anti-semitic attacks, and that too will get worse with each bomb israel drops on palestinian children. dumb people, who can't distinguish between the state of israel and jewish people in general (many of which, particularly intellectuals, outspoken against israel's illegal occupation), will try to hurt them or make their lives a hell resembling that of palestinian civilians in gaza right now. this campaign makes no one safer, it's a gross miscalculation, like propping up hamas in the first place. it's insanity...

Which apartheid laws and blockades do you want to end in particular? Can you be specific here? Make sure not to include ones that were removed in 2005.

Why should Israel "negotiate" with a terrorist group that they are tremendously more powerful than that also violently attacked and kidnapped their civilians? Purely in order to prevent more Palestinian civilian deaths in compounds Hamas hides in? Can you name a single instance that something like this has happened?

keep lying, keep deluding yourself. starving the whole of gaza IS targeting civilians first and foremost. cutting aid to those in need IS targeting civilians. large scale bombings of residential areas IS targeting civilians. just because you don't EXCLUSIVELY target civilians (i'm sure the hamas terrorists would have preferred to murder some high ranking generals or politicians as well, but those are all well protected and out of reach for them), doesn't mean you're any better than THEIR terrorists.

your choice of means speaks for itself. you can try to deceive yourself about it, but you're not convincing anyone who hasn't already committed to excusing the indiscriminate slaughtering of children...
it's ruthless vengeance on an already oppressed and destitute population, no matter how hard you cope...

where do you think Israel should target?

Striking Hamas amid civilians: The Israeli army's impossible strategy in Gaza
The Israeli army justified its strikes on the Jabalia camp in the north of the enclave, which caused numerous civilian casualties, by insisting on the destruction of an underground Hamas command post.

https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/11/02/striking-hamas-amid-civilians-the-israeli-army-s-impossible-strategy-in-gaza_6222552_4.html
“Given the high number of civilian deaths and the scale of destruction following the airstrikes on the Jabaliya refugee camp, we have serious concerns that these are disproportionate attacks that could constitute crimes of war,” said UN High Commissioner for Human Rights Volker Türk

Residents search through the rubble, after the Israeli army shelled the Jabalia camp on November 1, 2023, in the Gaza Strip






I think you can grab some info here
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-60197918
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/research/2022/02/qa-israels-apartheid-against-palestinians-cruel-system-of-domination-and-crime-against-humanity/
4. What evidence is this report based on?
We extensively analysed relevant Israeli legislation, regulations, military orders, governmental directives and statements by government and military officials. We reviewed official and publicly available documents, such as Israeli parliamentary archives, planning and zoning documents and plans, government budgets and Israeli court judgments.

Ohh no, no fuel , they said 3 days after the war started !! And Than the fuel is enough for a month now, it’s a miracle !
Oh no, no food , they said 3 days after the war started ! And Than the food was sufficient, no one is yet to die from starvation. It’s a miracle!
Oh no, no water, they said 3 days after the war started ! And Than the water was sufficient, no one is yet to die from thirst. It’s a miracle!
Oh no, no where to go, they said 3 days after the war started ! And Than they could flee to the south of Gaza Strip, which as Israel states is a safe zone. It’s a miracle!

According to your rhetorics we should have been in 20K death already.
Sit down and watch how a country is finally properly response to an unimaginable aggression.
Those which choose to stay in the war zone, did their math.

Gaza's Hamas-run health ministry says 9,061 people have been killed since 7 October, two-thirds of them women and children. congratulations, I guess you showed Fender. Were are the Palestinians meant to go ? south ? Israel already bombed the south.

18,000 tonnes of bombs have been dropped on Gaza now, which some sources are stating is 1.5 times more than bomb dropped on Hiroshima.

This post was edited by ferdia on Nov 3 2023 08:01am

we? you already claimed you aren't a religious jew

you have nothing to do with the apartheid

Would you accept living next to Hamas whilst under constant missile attack?

And your point is ?
Im not trying to show anyone anything. I just stated the obvious that the Palestinians are lying like They always do. Probably about their deaths as well.
And yes, they need to go south. Israel didn’t bomb the south, where do you think all those trucks are heading to ?