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Dec 24 2019 06:06am
Quote (Ghot @ 24 Dec 2019 10:15)
This information is nothing new and we all knew this.







Trump himself has said he wanted to make sure Ukraine was NOT still corrupt. Personally I think it's a good idea to make sure of that before we hand over $391 million to a country.
This is just more Dem smoke and mirror crap.

What would you like on your nothing burger... this time?


/e Hell, even people that did testify in the House hearings, said Trump had said this.





/ee But not to worry Fender...

House counsel suggests Trump could be impeached again

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/12/23/doj-impeachment-vote-undercut-house-mcgahn-testimony-089604





I guess I sort of called this one, when we discussed why Pelosi was NOT send the articles of impeachment to the Senate. :D


that's complete BS, and you know it. not only is his own nepotism (ivanka's & jared's positions, trademark approvals, zte deal...) proof that he couldn't care less about corruption, he also was exclusively 'concerned' about the corporation that hunter biden had a position in - multiple of his own administration officials confirmed that during this process. furthermore, he actually encouraged corrupt behaviour by pressuring a previous ukrainian administration into stopping their cooperation with the investigation into paul manafort's ukraine dealings. so much for that.

and even if you ignore all of those facts, and stick to your idiotic little talking point about trump, of all people, being genuinely concerned about corruption in a foreign country - the president sending his personal lawyer, and unilaterally holding back congressionally approved military aid, in order to pressure them into announcing investigations into his political opponent (yes, that's what he wanted, again, the testimony of his own 'best people' made that abundantly clear), would still be violating campaign finance law.
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Dec 24 2019 07:52am
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whataboutism BS with Pelosi when defending trump..
LOL the idiot can't even speak english..
WTF>> go get some cancer from a windmill..
oh wait....


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looks like people don’t like you. well with you wishing a potentially terminal disease on others, it just shows how much of a degenerate pale pasty privileged lefty you are. enjoy a lot of coal in your stocking this Christmas - you malignant satanic bully troll forum wannabe thug :santa:

e: reported, btw

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looks like people don’t like you. well with you wishing a potentially terminal disease on others, it just shows how much of a degenerate pale pasty privileged lefty you are. enjoy a lot of coal in your stocking this Christmas - you malignant satanic bully troll forum wannabe thug :santa:

e: reported, btw


you as slow as trump... You think you can get cancer from windmills..LOLOLOLOLOLOL
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Dec 27 2019 01:59pm
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You guys are actually delusional.

Donald Trump has completely destroyed the Democratic Party.


Well, no, but kinda. I would say Democrats have destroyed the Democratic Party.
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Dec 27 2019 02:02pm
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you as slow as trump... You think you can get cancer from windmills..LOLOLOLOLOLOL


I could be wrong, but I dont think thats what he said
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Dec 27 2019 02:06pm
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that's complete BS, and you know it. not only is his own nepotism (ivanka's & jared's positions, trademark approvals, zte deal...) proof that he couldn't care less about corruption, he also was exclusively 'concerned' about the corporation that hunter biden had a position in - multiple of his own administration officials confirmed that during this process. furthermore, he actually encouraged corrupt behaviour by pressuring a previous ukrainian administration into stopping their cooperation with the investigation into paul manafort's ukraine dealings. so much for that.

and even if you ignore all of those facts, and stick to your idiotic little talking point about trump, of all people, being genuinely concerned about corruption in a foreign country - the president sending his personal lawyer, and unilaterally holding back congressionally approved military aid, in order to pressure them into announcing investigations into his political opponent (yes, that's what he wanted, again, the testimony of his own 'best people' made that abundantly clear), would still be violating campaign finance law.


Couldnt they not prove that bit? Which is why the quid pro quo part isnt specifically mentioned in the articles of impeachment?

And even if that is what he did with ukraine, doesnt that, at worst, make him as bad as joe biden since thats what started this whole thing?

I dont think hes a great president, but hes hardly the most corrupt president in US history that people seem to paint him to be
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Dec 27 2019 03:41pm
the smartest thing Pelosi can do right now is leave it be and move on. it's going to hurt but not as bad as trump being acquitted
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Dec 27 2019 04:21pm
Quote (fender @ Dec 24 2019 07:06am)
that's complete BS, and you know it. not only is his own nepotism (ivanka's & jared's positions, trademark approvals, zte deal...) proof that he couldn't care less about corruption, he also was exclusively 'concerned' about the corporation that hunter biden had a position in - multiple of his own administration officials confirmed that during this process. furthermore, he actually encouraged corrupt behaviour by pressuring a previous ukrainian administration into stopping their cooperation with the investigation into paul manafort's ukraine dealings. so much for that.

and even if you ignore all of those facts, and stick to your idiotic little talking point about trump, of all people, being genuinely concerned about corruption in a foreign country - the president sending his personal lawyer, and unilaterally holding back congressionally approved military aid, in order to pressure them into announcing investigations into his political opponent (yes, that's what he wanted, again, the testimony of his own 'best people' made that abundantly clear), would still be violating campaign finance law.




This is the part that cracks me up... "his political opponent". Biden ALSO broke the law when he used HIS position to get the trial prosecutor removed, long before he WAS a political opponent.
Not only that, but he did it with Obama's approval.

Asking Zelensky to investigate, IMO, is just cleaning the swamp. If the left wants to label it as going after a political opponent, they can. But that doesn't MAKE it, Trump's motivation in asking for the investigation.
Just because the Dems claim it was to harm a political opponent, doesn't make it true. If the Dems claimed the sky was purple, that wouldn't make it true either.

Personally, I believe Trump is out to "drain the swamp". I think he had that motivation when he went after Hillary and when he went after Biden.

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Dec 27 2019 04:48pm
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This is the part that cracks me up... "his political opponent". Biden ALSO broke the law when he used HIS position to get the trial prosecutor removed, long before he WAS a political opponent.
Not only that, but he did it with Obama's approval.

Asking Zelensky to investigate, IMO, is just cleaning the swamp. If the left wants to label it as going after a political opponent, they can. But that doesn't MAKE it, Trump's motivation in asking for the investigation.
Just because the Dems claim it was to harm a political opponent, doesn't make it true. If the Dems claimed the sky was purple, that wouldn't make it true either.

Personally, I believe Trump is out to "drain the swamp". I think he had that motivation when he went after Hillary and when he went after Biden.


tl;dr

"Drain the swamp, but start with people i hate and ignore people 100x worse" (Saudis, North Korea, Syria, basically all of Africa, etc)
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Dec 27 2019 04:56pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Dec 27 2019 05:48pm)
tl;dr

"Drain the swamp, but start with people i hate and ignore people 100x worse" (Saudis, North Korea, Syria, basically all of Africa, etc)




In case no one told you... those countries don't work for us. They are foreign countries.
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