lolwut? The fact that quasars are near galaxies or superimposed on top of them doesn't mean that they're at redshift distances. That's non-sequitur. In fact, Arp uses quasars with differing redshifts to teh galaxies, which quasars are nearby or superimposed on top of galaxies and are connected to the galaxies by a bridge of matter to show that there is such a thing as intrinsic redshift and that the cosmological distances suggested by redshift are wrong. That last study in my post with the 2 pictures is a good example of that.

This post was edited by AEtheric on Aug 16 2012 11:23pm

I'm not going to disagree with the studies you pointed out, but it doesn't prove the Big Bang incorrect in anyway.

If you actually read the studies and knew the implications of them, you would understand that they prove the big bang wrong.

How can this thread keep going?

they provide specific studies for specific subjects.

That's an amazing conclusion you've drawn, but, sadly, it's so vague and non-contentious that it doesn't really say anything. They are studies that disprove fundamental postulates of the big bang, such as the CMB being the IGM, no time dilations on quasars which is supposed to occur in an expanding universe, and intrinsic redshifts disproving the Hubble Relation which, the Hubble Relation when taken in reverse through time is THE fundamental reason we believe a big bang happened.

This post was edited by AEtheric on Aug 16 2012 11:43pm

all theories.

And wait ... are you saying the Universe as a whole is not expanding?

Yes, I am saying that the universe is not expanding. And if you understood the scientific definition of a theory, you wouldn't be using that to brush off the studies.

Do you agree that galaxies are constantly spreading outwards from some center of the universe? (In general, no specific special cases)

They aren't moving from a center. They are moving with no center away from everything else. And, no, I don't agree. There are seyfert galaxies that, when their intrinsic redshift is taken into account, actually have a blueshifted Doppler effect.