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Oct 9 2023 08:11am
Anti establishment right ready for another crusade because they saw some videos that made them sad.
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Oct 9 2023 08:23am
Quote (Goomshill @ Oct 9 2023 02:38am)
I'm asking you- if Israel has a right to defend itself, and its clearly under a major attack by a merciless invader, what does "defending itself" look like in your mind? How does Israel "go after them" without "killing women and children"? What do you think an appropriate response is?


Killing innocent civilians like women and children....isn't that some sort of war crime?

Also, I don't understand why you call Palestinians "invaders". Sounds like Israelis are the invaders, no?
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Oct 9 2023 08:25am
Quote (Landmine @ Oct 9 2023 04:11am)
Wtf are you talking about? Israel belongs to the hebrews and if you don’t like it you can take it up with Britain.


When you say "Israel", do you mean the country or the land? I have no problem with Hebrews (which I think you mean Jews) having their own country. But they cannot point to a parcel of land and say, "that land belongs to us" and then proceed to displace people who have lived on it for hundreds of years.
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Oct 9 2023 08:28am
Serious question:

How will JDAMs solve anything now? Might makes right?
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Oct 9 2023 08:28am
Quote (Bazi @ 9 Oct 2023 16:31)
Dude , read

It’s bad, terrible, atrocious what happened to Jews 80 years ago. It’s semantics, I don’t care what words you use to describe them. Insults, severe insults, tragedies. To me all of these are replaceable with each other so because I said insult instead of tragedy, the intent is not to trigger you.

If you are 100% incapable of criticizing ANY component of Israel’s involvement and how we got here after 80 years, then you’re blinders are on too tight

But

Just because the Palestinian people HAVE been mistreated over generations, doesn’t mean Hamas can go and hurt and brutalize innocent Israelis who also have done nothing wrong. We can find common ground at least that Hamas is a cancer and has to go whatever the mechanism, and some accountability for Iran. Will leave it as this if we can’t engage on anything else


Its not just the Holocaust. Yom Kippur, constant Palestinian insurgency (obviously perpetually fueled by Israeli crackdown, but you get the point). What other choice does Israel have apart from maintaining such militarization? A lot of factions are against a two-state solution. Israel was conceding to that for a long time. Only lately have they been aggressively settling the West Bank
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Oct 9 2023 08:29am
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This post was edited by Neptunus on Oct 9 2023 08:29am
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Oct 9 2023 08:32am
Quote (JessiWan @ Oct 9 2023 08:25am)
When you say "Israel", do you mean the country or the land? I have no problem with Hebrews (which I think you mean Jews) having their own country. But they cannot point to a parcel of land and say, "that land belongs to us" and then proceed to displace people who have lived on it for hundreds of years.


So it’s Britain’s land or was it Rome's or was it the Christian holy land during the crusades or was it the promise land of the Jews or the Ottoman Empire?

The victor is the one that holds the land.
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Oct 9 2023 08:34am
Quote (Landmine @ Oct 9 2023 07:32am)
So it’s Britain’s land or was it Rome's or was it the Christian holy land during the crusades or was it the promise land of the Jews or the Ottoman Empire?


It's indeed kind of difficult to figure out who that land really belongs to, however, Palestinians have been living there for many years. Displacing them is wrong and inhumane, don't you think?

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The victor is the one that holds the land.


Might doesn't make right. Or it shouldn't, anyway.
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Oct 9 2023 08:36am
With the announced siege and stopping of food, water, electricity, etc. Israel should provide a one way corridor for women & kids out of Gaza either to west bank or Sinai. Let the obvious non combatants out (not sure if something like this is being allowed right now)
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Oct 9 2023 08:41am
Quote (Neptunus @ Oct 9 2023 09:28am)
Its not just the Holocaust. Yom Kippur, constant Palestinian insurgency (obviously perpetually fueled by Israeli crackdown, but you get the point). What other choice does Israel have apart from maintaining such militarization? A lot of factions are against a two-state solution. Israel was conceding to that for a long time. Only lately have they been aggressively settling the West Bank


Gaza conditions have been deplorable for quite some time, and then yeah the West Bank is obviously an issue. the settler issue isn’t benign, armed randoms coming into your legal property. Police that turn their shoulder. How would Texas deal with that?

I’m not saying I have the answers and what the right strategy from Israel is regarding retaliation. I’m simply saying both sides are not blameless.

Palestinians share blame by continuing to allow a terrorist organization being the face of the society. the thing is that people don’t realize is Hamas terrorizes Palestinians as well and the backlash for opposing Hamas, in Palestine, is extreme. However, if there is any meaningful future to be had it has to be done, meaning Hamas and Iran influence ending. Obviously easier said than done with me sitting comfortably in my chair, but the Saudi deal was a good start.

My sympathies only go to the civilians on both sides because the suffering is extreme. It’s just land. Give all the civilians a reasonable out so they can live their lives. A huge issue is these civilians have no out. You are born into hell, and die in it.

This post was edited by Bazi on Oct 9 2023 08:49am
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