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Nov 10 2020 06:49am
wow this jere guy really says sworn statement a lot lol



the process of which i was referring to last night hasnt been used, its a theoretical legal loophole.

basically u convince the secretary of state to not sign off on the election results based on fraud allegations and ongoing court proceedings, that's step 1. the results can not be signed off on (thus calling for GA SoS to step down immediately). Then as there is no verified vote count there is no state winner. at this point as the electoral college vote draws near, if there is still no verified vote count, both the democratic and republican party sent a delegation of electors to the college vote. because there is no "will of the people" because the vote isnt verified by signature, the House must then vote on who is the legitimate delegation in place of the voters. However this is not a case where each House rep gets 1 vote, each state gets 1 vote which is settled by the majority party of that state (Cali gets 1 DNC controlled vote, Alabama 1 GOP controlled vote, etc). Voting this way the GOP actually controls the house as well.

so essentially, if 2-3 SoS's can be convinced or manipulated into not signing off on the election for their state under the guise of "the court hasnt ruled on it and/or fraud seems clear" (as a political spin) then the house chooses who gets those votes, not the voters. but still not a faithless elector, similar but not the same.

faithless elector = elector ignores the will, subject to state laws based on going against the SoS signed election results.

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wow this jere guy really says sworn statement a lot lol

^Budgeting

the process of which i was referring to last night hasnt been used, its a theoretical legal loophole.

basically u convince the secretary of state to not sign off on the election results based on fraud allegations and ongoing court proceedings, that's step 1. the results can not be signed off on (thus calling for GA SoS to step down immediately). Then as there is no verified vote count there is no state winner. at this point as the electoral college vote draws near, if there is still no verified vote count, both the democratic and republican party sent a delegation of electors to the college vote. because there is no "will of the people" because the vote isnt verified by signature, the House must then vote on who is the legitimate delegation in place of the voters. However this is not a case where each House rep gets 1 vote, each state gets 1 vote which is settled by the majority party of that state (Cali gets 1 DNC controlled vote, Alabama 1 GOP controlled vote, etc). Voting this way the GOP actually controls the house as well.

so essentially, if 2-3 SoS's can be convinced or manipulated into not signing off on the election for their state under the guise of "the court hasnt ruled on it and/or fraud seems clear" (as a political spin) then the house chooses who gets those votes, not the voters. but still not a faithless elector, similar but not the same.

faithless elector = elector ignores the will, subject to state laws based on going against the SoS signed election results.


That's a theoretical possiblity, but let's be real: why the fuck should the GOP do this? Almost the entire party apparatus didnt want Trump back in 2016, and the 2020 election couldnt have gone any better for them: Trump gone, but it was close and not a blowout, all while the party held the Senate, made inroads in the House and won all the state legislatures which were in play, meaning they will have the upper hand in redistricting and can sit comfortably on gerrymandered maps for another decade.

Why should they risk all of that by blatantly stealing this election? Can you imagine the blue tsunami in 2022 if Trump is kept in office in this fashion?



The way I see it, the GOP is only hesitantly going along with these court challenges because they need the base to remain amped up for the Georgia runoffs, and because they need to gain time so that the outrage among Trump's base fizzles out instead of devolving into riots or violence. Remember this scene from Star Wars Episode III, where Palpatine turns on Count Dooku and tells his young new apprentice to kill him off because he's outlived his usefulness? I expect this scene to play out very soon, with McConnell being the Emperor and Trump being Dooku.



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That's a theoretical possiblity, but let's be real: why the fuck should the GOP do this? Almost the entire party apparatus didnt want Trump back in 2016, and the 2020 election couldnt have gone any better for them: Trump gone, but it was close and not a blowout, all while the party held the Senate, made inroads in the House and won all the state legislatures which were in play, meaning they will have the upper hand in redistricting and can sit comfortably on gerrymandered maps for another decade.

Why should they risk all of that by blatantly stealing this election? Can you imagine the blue tsunami in 2022 if Trump is kept in office in this fashion?



The way I see it, the GOP is only hesitantly going along with these court challenges because they need the base to remain amped up for the Georgia runoffs, and because they need to gain time so that the outrage among Trump's base fizzles out instead of devolving into riots or violence. Remember this scene from Star Wars Episode III, where Palpatine turns on Count Dooku and tells his young new apprentice to kill him off because he's outlived his usefulness? I expect this scene to play out very soon, with McConnell being the Emperor and Trump being Dooku.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KWwut-rB2sw


i personally dont think they will, but still 49% of people nationwide or w/e voted for trump. i still think it would fail in the house by a slim margin.
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wow this jere guy really says sworn statement a lot lol

^Budgeting

the process of which i was referring to last night hasnt been used, its a theoretical legal loophole.

basically u convince the secretary of state to not sign off on the election results based on fraud allegations and ongoing court proceedings, that's step 1. the results can not be signed off on (thus calling for GA SoS to step down immediately). Then as there is no verified vote count there is no state winner. at this point as the electoral college vote draws near, if there is still no verified vote count, both the democratic and republican party sent a delegation of electors to the college vote. because there is no "will of the people" because the vote isnt verified by signature, the House must then vote on who is the legitimate delegation in place of the voters. However this is not a case where each House rep gets 1 vote, each state gets 1 vote which is settled by the majority party of that state (Cali gets 1 DNC controlled vote, Alabama 1 GOP controlled vote, etc). Voting this way the GOP actually controls the house as well.

so essentially, if 2-3 SoS's can be convinced or manipulated into not signing off on the election for their state under the guise of "the court hasnt ruled on it and/or fraud seems clear" (as a political spin) then the house chooses who gets those votes, not the voters. but still not a faithless elector, similar but not the same.

faithless elector = elector ignores the will, subject to state laws based on going against the SoS signed election results.


he doesn't realize those sworn statements are not evidence. they are next to hearsay. somebody else can sign an affadavit offering a completely opposite account and it will all mean nothing. he has no specific evidence.

also thanks for the explanation - seems like a stretch that they would do that but literally every right wing propoganda idiot like mark levin, judicial watch and the gatewaypundit are all floating those ideas around and then they get shared and retweeted throughout the drump network.
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he doesn't realize those sworn statements are not evidence. they are next to hearsay. somebody else can sign an affadavit offering a completely opposite account and it will all mean nothing. he has no specific evidence.

also thanks for the explanation - seems like a stretch that they would do that but literally every right wing propoganda idiot like mark levin, judicial watch and the gatewaypundit are all floating those ideas around and then they get shared and retweeted throughout the drump network.


Its the last scene of Rookie of the Year, Henry Rowengardner's incorrectly healed tendon that gives him a 103 MPH fastball is gone, he's got no juice. But 3 outs remain, a hidden ball trick by Dr. Jan Itor takes out the first runner. After an intentional walk a masterful troll job by Henry takes out the second. But look who's at the plate, Henry's old nemisis. If you walk him a hidden ball trick wont work, he must be pitched to. So they try the one thing that just might work, something stupid because its all they have, the underhand high pitch.

the GOP has nothing left, but on the bright side the court decision is not the lynch pin this strategy hangs on, simply the ability to convince a SoS to not sign the final results. the state can even be called for a candidate, but until every vote is counted and verified and the SoS signs off on the final results, its still in play.

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Its the last scene of Rookie of the Year, Henry Rowengardner's incorrectly healed tendon that gives him a 103 MPH fastball is gone, he's got no juice. But 3 outs remain, a hidden ball trick by Dr. Jan Itor takes out the first runner. After an intentional walk a masterful troll job by Henry takes out the second. But look who's at, Henry's old nemisis. If you walk him a hidden ball trick wont work, he must be pitched to. So they try the one thing that just might work, something stupid because its all they have, the underhand high pitch.

the GOP has nothing left, but on the bright side the court decision is not the lynch pin this strategy hangs on, simply the ability to convince a SoS to not sign the final results. the state can even be called for a candidate, but until every vote is counted and verified and the SoS signs off on the final results, its still in play.


The political floater.

Mass unsolicited mail-ins is probably the most insecure thing you could do but taking by EC shenanigans would be a disastrous outcome. Probably only second to actual mass voter fraud.
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The political floater.

Mass unsolicited mail-ins is probably the most insecure thing you could do but taking by EC shenanigans would be a disastrous outcome. Probably only second to actual mass voter fraud.


Its the difference of a Shamwow and a iBook laptop.

The shamwow is oversold, overpriced, and under delivers. Buyers are not happy, it dies out.

The iBook is oversold, overpriced, and under delivers. Buyers love it, claim the problems are not a problem, and buy a new one every few years.

when you have a cult following that stands outside in the rain for 2 days u can convince them things like "last 5 years longer than a PC" is worth paying 3x as much for, even tho they know they wont even have it 3 years before they buy the upgrade.

Dems see Trump as the shamwow guy, but he's Apple.
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Dems see Trump as the shamwow guy, but he's Apple.


Apple, but without the planned obsolescence.
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Apple, but without the planned obsolescence.


Apple, but without the cancer treated by crystals and yoga, unfortunately.
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