Quote (Malopox @ Nov 3 2023 12:10pm)

It didn't create it, but definitely contributed to its rise "as long as Sheikh Yassin followers were fighting PLO".

This divide and conquer policy is now biting Israel back it seems from where I see it.

https://web.archive.org/web/20090926212507/http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123275572295011847.html

I've seen this graph in the Economist which perhaps should be used more in Israeli propaganda - showing that "dealing" with Israel and recognizing it leads to prosperity.
https://i.imgur.com/FRBm58j.png



I don't think "hitting them hard" works personally. You are fighting a religious movement that views Israel as an existential threat and draws support from abroad (Iran, Qatar, Maghreb, you name it). Perhaps it would be better to establish that Israel is not a threat to their livelihoods?



If you do not like the Good Friday arrangements that is okay, but what about at least two recent examples which can be used as an inspiration to resolve this?

If you could explain how "hitting them hard" will solve the existential problem of security for Israel I would be most grateful.



I can only present you the facts, I cannot understand them for you.

Quote (SwamiVivekananda @ Oct 30 2023 01:56pm)

Yea I didn't get to that yet but I'm not going to derail this topic entirely.

More people are killed by guns in Chicago then any other city yet guns are basically banned here.

When people talk about mass shootings in the US or gun crimes they don't realize that those statistics and numbers are skewed to the downside otherwise no one would come here(Chicago specifically)

During summer time on a weekend you'll have 40+ shot 10+ killed(mostly gang on gang and innocent bystanders) but it doesn't make the news.

Then some deranged idiot in another state kills 3 people and it's headline news across the country.

Chicago is the Demo-crack-heads best kept secret.

Black on white crime 20:1

Wear a Trump hat in the city you'll definitely get fucked up

Barack Obama can't come here because black people know he sold them out.

China-town still asian

Greek-town still greek

etc. etc.

But don't talk about the projects(predominantly black) where 90% of all crimes come from.

Don't talk about how Muslims took all of a suburb called Bridgeview and you can't go there either now if "white"

"Such peaceful people!"--------not at all

That's why I'm glad ^^Prox1m1ty and the Scottish are going to take in some Gazans.

Proximity likes to use statistics that don't address something like this.

Why do immigrants come to Chicago/New York/ Los Angeles? Because those cities/states already have programs that give them the most "free shit" and they are told "Chicago is a sanctuary city" you have the best chance for success going there. That's a lie.

Do you think Montana/South Dakota/North Dakota are going to take in a bunch of immigrants with no skills and people who can't even speak English and want to be catered too? No. because their leadership knows it would cause problems.

Only Chicago says, "Yea come here we have plenty of opportunities here!"---none

Quote (Rebellious_Ben @ Nov 3 2023 07:30am)

Delaware is pretty bad too

Quote (Meanwhile @ 3 Nov 2023 14:39)

Palestinian workers stranded in Israel since the October 7 attacks show the license plates issued to them while they were detained by Israel.

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 3 Nov 2023 13:25)

Then please only present facts, not ridiculous ideas.

I can explain in language you potentially comprehend.

Terrorist dead, terrorist not threat anymore.

Quote (Many_Names @ 3 Nov 2023 13:43)

They take shelter in the west bank
Not in Israel

Quote (Meanwhile @ 3 Nov 2023 13:39)

Palestinian workers stranded in Israel since the October 7 attacks show the license plates issued to them while they were detained by Israel.


https://img.lemde.fr/2023/11/03/0/0/0/0/580/0/75/0/9f2d896_1699012476798-887078.jpg

Quote (fender @ Nov 3 2023 12:58pm)

thousands of women and children slaughtered and unimaginable suffering caused that it will likely create hundreds of desperate people willing to sacrifice their lives just to hurt their occupiers - in return for a couple of dozen terrorists killed... seems like a terrible calculation to me.

unless israel goes full genocide, they just made their own future significantly more dangerous and fragile, in addition to having lost major parts of the support they had within the populations of the western world. our politicians might not have caught up yet, but it's only a matter of time until they will. israel is losing the stranglehold they had on diplomatic relations by isolating palestine internationally. voices criticising its handling of this "war" (civilian casualties, starving children, bombing refugee camps, war crimes...) are getting louder by the day. their victim card has been overplayed and is losing its effectiveness, given how ruthless and unapologetic they are slaughtering innocent civilian, and how imbalanced the power distribution between occupiers and occupied is.

Quote (Meanwhile @ Nov 3 2023 12:39pm)

Palestinian workers stranded in Israel since the October 7 attacks show the license plates issued to them while they were detained by Israel.


https://img.lemde.fr/2023/11/03/0/0/0/0/580/0/75/0/9f2d896_1699012476798-887078.jpg