Quote (ferdia @ 3 Nov 2023 13:45)

What part of what I said is Russian propaganda, in your opinion. The UN sent a mission to Ukraine, prior to the Russian invasion, and thats what the UN reported.

Quote (Malopox @ Nov 3 2023 11:28am)

1) What was the need to create HAMAS to counter Fatah in the first place? Why is this not getting the attention it deserves?

2) How can you be sure that by eradicating HAMAS now (is that even possible?) and causing untold suffering among civilians you will not create another "martyr" movement to fight the "oppressor"?

3) Wouldn't a better way would be to try to find a bona-fide peace agreement a-la Good Friday (sectarian/colonialist violence of protestant-Irish vs catholic-British) or e.g. the way Russians pacified the Chechen jihadi movement within one generation (anyone remembers Khattab and what he stood for?) or e.g. the story of Singapore which intertwines quite closely with that of Israel (being surrounded by huge muslim population that wouldn't mind kicking out the "chinese settlers" if given the chance)?

I honestly do not understand what is so fundamentally different with Palestine that doesn't allow Israel to peacefully coexist with their neighbors. I do not accept the argument that they are "savage, rabid animals living only to kill jewish folk" as this is a lame and lazy excuse for the underlying problem.

Quote (Many_Names @ Nov 3 2023 11:51am)

The UN appointed iran as chair of un Human Rights

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 3 Nov 2023 13:53)

A peace agreement with a group who's charter is your complete destruction.

Fucking heard it all now :rofl:

Quote (Many_Names @ 3 Nov 2023 12:50)

Israel didnt create hamas

Quote (Many_Names @ 3 Nov 2023 12:50)

I am not sure of anything but we tried to contain we tried to negotiate we are done trying the only way there will be peace is after we hit them so hard they will lose motivation to fight us.
Like the egyptians and the jordanians.

Quote (Many_Names @ 3 Nov 2023 12:50)

Read the Irish resistance charter and hamas charter and tell me if you find resemblance.

The Irish resistance didn't target civilians hamas do
They do not co-exist between themselves.

Quote (Prox1m1ty @ 3 Nov 2023 12:53)

A peace agreement with a group who's charter is your complete destruction.

Fucking heard it all now :rofl:

Quote (Malopox @ 3 Nov 2023 14:10)

It didn't create it, but definitely contributed to it's rise "as long as Sheikh Yassin followers were fighting PLO".

This divide and conquer policy is now biting Israel back it seems from where I see it.

https://web.archive.org/web/20090926212507/http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123275572295011847.html

I've seen this graph in the Economist which perhaps should be used more in Israeli propaganda - showing that "dealing" with Israel and recognizing it leads to prosperity.
https://i.imgur.com/FRBm58j.png



I don't think "hitting them hard" works personally. You are fighting a religious movement that views Israel as an existential threat and draws support from abroad (Iran, Qatar, Maghreb, you name it). Perhaps it would be better to establish that Israel is not a threat to their livelihoods?



If you do not like the Good Friday arrangements that is okay, but what about at least two recent examples which can be used as an inspiration to resolve this?

If you could explain how "hitting them hard" will solve the existential problem of security for Israel I would be most grateful.



I can only present you the facts, I cannot understand them for you.

Quote (Many_Names @ 3 Nov 2023 12:51)

The UN appointed iran as chair of un Human Rights