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Quote (EndlessSky @ Dec 19 2020 04:23pm)
If you cant afford to live in a city, you move out of a city.

Homelessness is a compounded problem created by liberal simps creating moral hazards with bad state incentives.


Yeah, moving is cheap...
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Quote (Plaguefear @ Dec 19 2020 12:43am)
Yeah, moving is cheap...


and the place with all the best jobs is definitely not in cities. Nope, that's why rural areas are the hub of industry.
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and the place with all the best jobs is definitely not in cities. Nope, that's why rural areas are the hub of industry.


Sure is a lot of soup kitchens and readily available food in rural areas, its not like its packed with right wing gun nuts who are looking for any excuse to pop some tresspasser for picking an apple.

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and the place with all the best jobs is definitely not in cities. Nope, that's why rural areas are the hub of industry.


There is a trend of people with the 'best jobs' leaving the cities recently. Remote capable jobs dispersing from cities to work from home, then those people who work from home can move rural. I'm curious how cities will adapt to the flight of those jobs and industry. For example, as an IT firm owner, would you want to pay a commercial lease to house your full staff in cubicle land? Or downsize to a lease for executives and sales offices/business meetings?

For homelessness in urban and city areas, to some extent deregulation would reduce it. Things like reducing minimum square footage and setbacks so vacant lots can be utilized. Bring in 'tiny' living solutions such as THOW, or stacked shipping container setups. Then require some permit and tax it like any other property. At least with some of 'tiny' setups, the city retains the ability to relocate people rather easily.

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Quote (Thor123422 @ Dec 18 2020 12:02pm)
Rent control opens permanent housing as people get out of the market.

It reduces quality of rentals because it makes rentals less necessary as housing opens up.

Conservatives like to cherry pick that it reduces quality though.


Wat?
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Quote (Plaguefear @ Dec 19 2020 01:43am)
Yeah, moving is cheap...


Stop paying rent with one landlord and start paying rent with another.

Offer your coworkers pizza and beer if they help you move stuff in their pickups.

Commute using state subsidized buses. GG sir.

There should honestly be a program in this country where an upper middle class individual can tutor someone in the lower class with financial advice in exchange for tax deductions, it would be a great win for the community overall.
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Quote (Santara @ Dec 19 2020 06:36am)
Wat?


Rent controls drive high end rentals off the market.

This drives down housing prices as a whole as housing enters the market.

This makes rentals less competitive and drives down market price.

This also makes rentals lower average quality as higher quality is sold as permanent housing.

You will usually just see "lower quality rentals" as the talking point without the full mechanism. Rent controls arent a magic bullet, but theyre also not the devil as they are often portrayed. Theyre a tool, just like anything else.

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Rent controls drive high end rentals off the market.

This drives down housing prices as a whole as housing enters the market.

This makes rentals less competitive and drives down market price.

This also makes rentals lower average quality as higher quality is sold as permanent housing.

You will usually just see "lower quality rentals" as the talking point without the full mechanism. Rent controls arent a magic bullet, but theyre also not the devil as they are often portrayed. Theyre a tool, just like anything else.


Rent control limits housing supply, so how can it drive down housing prices?
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Quote (Santara @ Dec 19 2020 09:20am)
Rent control limits housing supply, so how can it drive down housing prices?


High end rentals get sold at permanent housing.

This causes permanent housing to lower in price as more supply enters the market.

Cheaper permanent housing causes rentals to be less appealing, which causes lower rental prices.

So you get a lower supply of rentals, with a higher supply of permanent housing.


This is shorter term. There are more effects in the longer term that may result in lower investment in new housing.

Like I said, it's a tool, not a silver bullet or the devil.

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Quote (Thor123422 @ Dec 19 2020 10:24am)
High end rentals get sold at permanent housing.

This causes permanent housing to lower in price as more supply enters the market.

Cheaper permanent housing causes rentals to be less appealing, which causes lower rental prices.

So you get a lower supply of rentals, with a higher supply of permanent housing.


This is shorter term. There are more effects in the longer term that may result in lower investment in new housing.

Like I said, it's a tool, not a silver bullet or the devil.


What you're saying makes zero sense.

Price ceilings below the equilibrium price result in shortages. Open a basic economic book.
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