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Apr 13 2021 04:41pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ 13 Apr 2021 18:33)
Bad trolling. You know full well that a president is still constrained by political realities, even if he's - on paper - given unilateral power to do something.
Democrats and the swamp indeed did their best to drum up as much resistance to Trump's troop withdrawal plans as possible, on Capitol Hill, from within military leadership and from their numerous allies in the mainstream media.


Trump couldnt get it done because the political forces you support and like so much (corporate Democrats and the old, pre-2016 GOP establishment) moved heaven and earth to stop him.

And just for the record: had Trump invoked his authority as commander in chief to ram through this withdrawal against opposition from Congress, parts of the top generals, most of the MSM and virtually all of the swampy consultant-operative class in DC, you would not have congratulated him on ending a war and keeping a campaign promise. No, you would have been the first to accuse him of being an authoritarian, undemocratic, cheap impersonation of a banana-republic-dictator who's recklessly and selfishly putting America's safety on the line just to check off a campaign promise.

they did that anyway when we were reducing the troop levels in order to have a well-defined, planned exit to a disastrous war started by the swamp.

to counter this exit, the warmongering swamp now has a standing army in the capital larger than our troops deployed in Iraq and Afghanistan combined
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Apr 13 2021 04:50pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 13 2021 06:33pm)
Trump couldnt get it done because the political forces you support and like so much (corporate Democrats and the old, pre-2016 GOP establishment) moved heaven and earth to stop him.

And just for the record: had Trump invoked his authority as commander in chief to ram through this withdrawal against opposition from Congress, parts of the top generals, most of the MSM and virtually all of the swampy consultant-operative class in DC, you would not have congratulated him on ending a war and keeping a campaign promise. No, you would have been the first to accuse him of being an authoritarian, undemocratic, cheap impersonation of a banana-republic-dictator who's recklessly and selfishly putting America's safety on the line just to check off a campaign promise.


This doesn't make any sense. You could make that argument about why he didn't build the wall, but it's entirely up to him whether we were in Afghanistan, and there's no reason to think it would've hurt him politically. All the prominent Trump cult propagandists wanted to leave Afghanistan.

Trump tried to steal an election, incited an insurrection, and he's still the leader of the Republican party. Every politician who was with him before those few months of hell is still with him today. The idea that he couldn't leave Afghanistan because of political forces is completely absurd.

I don't have strong feelings about what to do in Afghanistan. Being there is not costing us a bunch of lives and treasure, the Afghan government collapsing to the Taliban would be bad, at the same time I can understand that it's been 20 years and there's no sensible military solution. So if Trump decided to leave in a reasonable way, I wouldn't have criticized him for it. But he probably would've announced via Twitter that all troops would be home in a week or something. I mean the guy wanted to host the Taliban at Camp David on 9/11. Lol.
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Apr 13 2021 04:51pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 13 2021 06:36pm)
Oh wow he had resistance? Thats so unexpected for a president! Yeah all presidents have that. The fact that he had 4 years and didn't get out means he didn't care. He had plenty of time in a domain where he had total control.


They rotate between "he's a fighter" and "Nancy Pelosi and Lindsey Graham would've disapproved, so he was outnumbered".
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Apr 13 2021 04:57pm
Quote (IceMage @ Apr 13 2021 06:51pm)
They rotate between "he's a fighter" and "Nancy Pelosi and Lindsey Graham would've disapproved, so he was outnumbered".


Can you agree that the last decades were shit for the American people if we're talking politic/presidency.
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Apr 13 2021 05:26pm
Quote (IceMage @ 14 Apr 2021 00:51)
They rotate between "he's a fighter" and "Nancy Pelosi and Lindsey Graham would've disapproved, so he was outnumbered".


Quote (Thor123422 @ 14 Apr 2021 00:36)
Oh wow he had resistance? Thats so unexpected for a president! Yeah all presidents have that. The fact that he had 4 years and didn't get out means he didn't care. He had plenty of time in a domain where he had total control.



The pushback and resistance Trump received from the federal bureaucracy and the Fourth Estate was absolutely unprecedented. This is not about the Nancy Pelosis and Lindsey Grahams of the world, this is about all the little cogs in the machine which every president needs to do their job to get anything done, and the public opinion which no president can afford to be too overwhelmingly against him.

Imho, Trump should have pushed harder for a very timely withdrawal from Afghanistan, I'll grant you that. It is nonetheless a huge hypocrisy that he got flak for his plans from factions which are remaining suspiciously silent now that Biden is carrying out these exact same plans.

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Apr 13 2021 05:35pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 13 2021 07:26pm)
It is nonetheless a huge hypocrisy that he got flak for his plans from factions which are remaining suspiciously silent now that Biden is carrying out these exact same plans.


Expecting them to be fair is stupid. Democrats need to be crushed or they will seep their poison into everywhere.
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Apr 13 2021 05:36pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 13 2021 06:26pm)
The pushback and resistance Trump received from the federal bureaucracy and the Fourth Estate was absolutely unprecedented. This is not about the Nancy Pelosis and Lindsey Grahams of the world, this is about all the little cogs in the machine which every president needs to do their job to get anything done, and the public opinion which no president can afford to be too overwhelmingly against him.

Imho, Trump should have pushed harder for a very timely withdrawal from Afghanistan, I'll grant you that. It is nonetheless a huge hypocrisy that he got flak for his plans from factions which are remaining suspiciously silent now that Biden is carrying out these exact same plans.


Trump was totally incapable of navigating his administration. By all accounts he couldn't even pay attention in meetings.

He didn't even have nominations submitted for major positions for months and when people quit he continued to not submit nominations.

So spare me. Trump was ineffective. Even if he had full support he wouldn't have been able to implement his agenda

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Apr 13 2021 05:54pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ 14 Apr 2021 01:36)
Trump was totally incapable of navigating his administration. By all accounts he couldn't even pay attention in meetings.

He didn't even have nominations submitted for major positions for months and when people quit he continued to not submit nominations.

So spare me. Trump was ineffective. Even if he had full support he wouldn't have been able to implement his agenda


So, you admit that #theresistance was an unnecessary waste of time and that all the talk about Trump transforming America into an authoritarian dictatorship was just politically motivated hysteria? ^_^
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Apr 13 2021 06:02pm
I think trump made up the resistance so he had an excuse.
Just for the record opposition is the opposing parties job, trump is supposed to find ways to overcome it and still get his agenda through.

This post was edited by Plaguefear on Apr 13 2021 06:02pm
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Apr 13 2021 06:14pm
Quote (Black XistenZ @ Apr 13 2021 07:54pm)
So, you admit that #theresistance was an unnecessary waste of time and that all the talk about Trump transforming America into an authoritarian dictatorship was just politically motivated hysteria? ^_^


#exposed

Quote (IceMage @ Apr 13 2021 06:28pm)
Do I want to give credit to the president who will end the Afghanistan war his first year in office, and not the president who kept troops there for 4 years and set a withdrawal date that his successor could just ignore?

Uh, yeah, obviously. You're being obtuse.


You are describing a situation where Trump wound down a conflict, negotiated a resolution, and set a due date. And you are ascribing Biden the credit because Trump lost an election and left Biden to carry out the orders.

It's not a serious position. I might as well just read the Biden administration position and assume your response.
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