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Nov 3 2023 03:42am
People erroneously claiming Israel want to eradicate Palestinians.
There are 2 million in Gaza alone and snother 3 million in the west bank. Can we get serious and not use sensationalist language?

Ironically the same people that said Israel can never destroy Hamas are also claiming Israel want to eradicate all Palestinians.

So which is it? It's embarrassing.

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Ironically the same people that said Israel can never destroy Hamas are also claiming Israel want to eradicate all Palestinians.

So which is it? It's embarrassing.


who more likely has the money to succesfully escape, hamas leadership or normal palestinians ?
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Quote (ferdia @ 3 Nov 2023 11:23)
Basically we have a nuclear armed nation obliterating one of its ethnic minorities. The countries around it are saying, "dude you have to stop", and the nation is saying "no". Similar to what happened when Ukraine spent 7 years bombing its own people and Russia said "dude you have to stop" and Ukraine said "no". Russia asked the US "will you send troops" and when the US said "No", Russia invaded.

The difference here is that Israel has nukes (Ukraine no longer has), and the US this time WILL send troops to Israel if anyone invades//declares war on Israel. Therefore the stakes are much higher and the war could escalate much much faster then the war in Ukraine. Basically the current situation is the worst case scenario which was talked / examined for the last few decades (and the most likely event / war to spiral out of control to nuclear).


You manage to find similarties between nation that invaded to anouther country to take its land.
And nation which reacted to a brutal assault on its borders.

We are no longer willing to live near Hamas

We do not target civilian population this is not our intention we gave the Gazans 3 weeks to evac to the southern area.
Hamas is the one holding them off shooting its own people.

We are done
Enough is enough.

No one even mentioned nuclear bomb which is last resort weapon and its defiantly not the issue here
we are nor in existantial crisis here we simply eliminates savages that do not care for their own citizen and target civilians on daily basis.
We slept for far too long because of the iron dome.

you would do the same if someone would cut off your son arm and let him bleed to death, rape your daughter and cut your wife belly open take your unborn child out and stab it in the head.

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Quote (HeLiCaL @ Nov 3 2023 10:10am)
who more likely has the money to succesfully escape, hamas leadership or normal palestinians ?


Who's fault is that?
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You manage to find similarties between nation that invaded to anouther country to take its land.
And nation which reacted to a brutal assault on its borders.

We are no longer willing to live near Hamas

We do not target civilian population this is not our intention we gave the Gazans 3 weeks to evac to the southern area.
Hamas is the one holding them off shooting its own people.

We are done
Enough is enough.

No one even mentioned nuclear bomb which is last resort weapon and its defiantly not the issue here
we are nor in existantial crisis here we simply eliminates savages that do not care for their own citizen and target civilians on daily basis.
We slept for far too long because of the iron dome.

you would do the same if someone would cut off your son arm and let him bleed to death, rape your daughter and cut your wife belly open take your unborn child out and stab it in the head.


1) What was the need to create HAMAS to counter Fatah in the first place? Why is this not getting the attention it deserves?

2) How can you be sure that by eradicating HAMAS now (is that even possible?) and causing untold suffering among civilians you will not create another "martyr" movement to fight the "oppressor"?

3) Wouldn't a better way would be to try to find a bona-fide peace agreement a-la Good Friday (sectarian/colonialist violence of protestant-Irish vs catholic-British) or e.g. the way Russians pacified the Chechen jihadi movement within one generation (anyone remembers Khattab and what he stood for?) or e.g. the story of Singapore which intertwines quite closely with that of Israel (being surrounded by huge muslim population that wouldn't mind kicking out the "chinese settlers" if given the chance)?

I honestly do not understand what is so fundamentally different with Palestine that doesn't allow Israel to peacefully coexist with their neighbors. I do not accept the argument that they are "savage, rabid animals living only to kill jewish folk" as this is a lame and lazy excuse for the underlying problem.

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Quote (Many_Names @ Nov 3 2023 10:20am)
You manage to find similarties between nation that invaded to anouther country to take its land.


from 2014 up until the invasion by Russia, into Ukraine, Ukraine bombed its own ethnic minority that resided in eastern Ukraine, similar to how Israel is currently bombing its ethnic minority in Gaza, (while noting that said minority was fighting against the Ukrainian Gov | Israeli Government). Understand this is a very broad comparison and I am not going into the causes for said conflicts. Anyway, Russia protested against the bombings for years, noting these were ethnic Russians being killed, and Ukraine basically ignored these protests. In much the same way, everyone that is not Israel and the USA is protesting against the carpet bombing of Gaza.

The minority living in eastern Ukraine became refugees and Ukraine, or Russia, took them in. In comparison, there is a question mark as to who will take in the Palestinian refugees.

TLDR: it remains to be seen if the power of Israel and the USA, with their highly advanced armies and nuclear weapons will get away with what they are currently doing.

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People erroneously claiming Israel want to eradicate Palestinians.
There are 2 million in Gaza alone and snother 3 million in the west bank. Can we get serious and not use sensationalist language?

Ironically the same people that said Israel can never destroy Hamas are also claiming Israel want to eradicate all Palestinians.

So which is it? It's embarrassing.




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Quote (ferdia @ 3 Nov 2023 13:40)
from 2014 up until the invasion by Russia, into Ukraine, Ukraine bombed its own ethnic minority that resided in eastern Ukraine, similar to how Israel is currently bombing its ethnic minority in Gaza, (while noting that said minority was fighting against the Ukrainian Gov | Israeli Government). Understand this is a very broad comparison and I am not going into the causes for said conflicts. Anyway, Russia protested against the bombings for years, noting these were ethnic Russians being killed, and Ukraine basically ignored these protests. In much the same way, everyone that is not Israel and the USA is protesting against the carpet bombing of Gaza.

The minority living in eastern Ukraine became refugees and Ukraine, or Russia, took them in. In comparison, there is a question mark as to who will take in the Palestinian refugees.


Russian propaganda now?
We do not bomb anything we bomb the area thry launch rockets from.
But we mostly accepted it.

Which was wrong we should reacted like countries in the middle east

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Russian propaganda now?
We do not bomb anything we bomb the area thry launch rockets from.
But we mostly accepted it.

Which was wrong wr shoul h


What part of what I said is Russian propaganda, in your opinion. The UN sent a mission to Ukraine, prior to the Russian invasion, and thats what the UN reported. Anyway, forget about russia and ukraine. the bottom line is Israel is doing its thing, and the hope that people have is that this war will not escalate into a serious regional war or worse.

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Quote (Malopox @ 3 Nov 2023 13:28)
1) What was the need to create HAMAS to counter Fatah in the first place? Why is this not getting the attention it deserves?

2) How can you be sure that by eradicating HAMAS now (is that even possible?) and causing untold suffering among civilians you will not create another "martyr" movement to fight the "oppressor"?

3) Wouldn't a better way would be to try to find a bona-fide peace agreement a-la Good Friday (sectarian/colonialist violence of protestant-Irish vs catholic-British) or e.g. the way Russians pacified the Chechen jihadi movement within one generation (anyone remembers Khattab and what he stood for?) or e.g. the story of Singapore which intertwines quite closely with that of Israel (being surrounded by huge muslim population that wouldn't mind kicking out the "chinese settlers" if given the chance)?

I honestly do not understand what is so fundamentally different with Palestine that doesn't allow Israel to peacefully coexist with their neighbors. I do not accept the argument that they are "savage, rabid animals living only to kill jewish folk" as this is a lame and lazy excuse for the underlying problem.


Israel didnt create hamas

I am not sure of anything but we tried to contain we tried to negotiate we are done trying the only way there will be peace is after we hit them so hard they will lose motivation to fight us.
Like the egyptians and the jordanians.

Read the Irish resistance charter and hamas charter and tell me if you find resemblance.

The irish resistance didnt target civilians hamas do
They do not co-exist between themselves.
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